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The government does not protect rights. Its very existence is a violation of our natural rights. Government can only violate our rights. It should be abolished entirely.

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muh (((anarchist))) option

No. No it shouldn't.

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Fine, continue to worship your masters. But anyone who supports the state in any capacity is the enemy and deserves the rope.

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And if the government is not doing one it IS doing the other!

Nope, rights don't exist, never have, at least, not as "real" metaphysical platonic forms, existing somewhere up in the aether. They don't come from god or government, but from men and from violence. They are lines drawn in the sand, laws for the lawmakers, restricting their power. The taboos for the ones trusted with power, that which must never be done by the rulers, and a set of rules whose violation must never be tolerated by those they rule over. The things that leaders will fear to trespass upon, the agreements their subjects will punish them with death or worse for breaking. It is not the authority of god or his appointees that make rights, it is violence, pure and simple, the threat and promise of revolt, that is what creates the rights of the people, and that is what protects them. Fight for your rights, because it is the fighting that makes them rights to begin with, they are a social contract inked with blood, sometimes that blood must be renewed, and we are coming to one of those times, be ready to renegotiate the terms of your rights, with guns and other weapons.

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Nope, rights don't exist, never have, at least, not as "real" metaphysical platonic forms, existing somewhere up in the aether. They don't come from god or government, but from men and from violence. They are lines drawn in the sand, laws for the lawmakers, restricting their power. The taboos for the ones trusted with power, that which must never be done by the rulers, and a set of rules whose violation must never be tolerated by those they rule over. The things that leaders will fear to trespass upon, the agreements their subjects will punish them with death or worse for breaking. It is not the authority of god or his appointees that make rights, it is violence, pure and simple, the threat and promise of revolt, that is what creates the rights of the people, and that is what protects them. Fight for your rights, because it is the fighting that makes them rights to begin with, they are a social contract inked with blood, sometimes that blood must be renewed, and we are coming to one of those times, be ready to renegotiate the terms of your rights, with guns and other weapons.

Oh really? Rights don't manifest physically?

YOU DON'T FUCKING SAY!

Your whole post is a retarded, reddit-tier "I'm so smart guys!"

but muh God doesn't exist.

Sigh.

Violence DOES NOT CREATE rights as you suggest. Violence and the fear of violence PROTECTS rights. Which ARE given by - give it whatever name you'd like, but cease the (((atheist))) kikery - the creator. Whether that be God or just physical manifestation of existence through some unknown "big bang" or whatever - is irrelevant. The rights exist from something outside of our understanding, control, or ability to directly perceive.

it is violence, pure and simple, the threat and promise of revolt, that is what creates the rights of the people

No. That is what protects the rights that exist regardless of any other thing ever.

/r/youaresofuckingretarded

I think you miss the significance of what I'm saying here:

You have every right that it is conceptually possible to have, you have the right to have a home of your own choosing provided to you, you have the right to have whatever food you prefer given to you, you have the right to have a sexual partner of your choosing, you have the right to kill people amd eat them.

You have the right to everything you could possibly have and do, every possible freedom or service that you could think of is your right.

The concept of rights came about mainly around the time of the magna carta, when the powe of kings was being limited, the nature of the restrictions gave rise to the concept of certain things that no one was permitted to do except under specific circumstances, the language used was that everyone had these things they were entitled to.

These were usually freedoms, but sometimes services such as being entitled to legal representation, which could not be denied to law abiding people, break the law, however, and some of your rights could become forfeit.

Laebreakers lose all kinds of freedoms guaranteed to them by their otherwise inalienable rights, You lose the freedom of speech, freedom of movement, freedom of association, etc.

In addition, inalienable rights are subjected to arbitrary restrictions even when the people had been law abiding.

For example, freedom of speech is abridged in the cases of sharing classified info, incitement, and obscenity, certain gatherings could be denied or dispersed on particular and usually subjective and arbitrary grounds.

Freedom to own property is restricted by various taxation laws, by licensing laws, by intellectual property, by restrictions on what is considered legitimate ownable properties, and what are the acceptable requirements for this ownership such as in the cases of guns or gold or land.

There is also the matter that new rights are being made up on a constant basis, now people are saying internet access is a right, now people are saying Healthcare us a right, now people are saying access to countries amd employment are rights.

Everything is a right, the thing that makes a right is the enforcement of those rights.

What a right is, is the social contract that exists between government and their subjects, if the representitives of the government are seen to violate the rights of their subjects, then the subjects are no longer beholden to their end of the social contract.

God has no role here except as some impotent endorser of the arrangement in the background, symbolic role with no function, his endorsement is assumed by us, its not even given directly. God may in all actuality be in stark opposition to the concept of rights that we believe we should have, they are self evident in that they feel right to our common sense which we argue us God given, and therefore God endorses this idea.

When the contract fails to be upheld, God is not going to enact any sort of miraculous intervention on the behalf of rights, indeed, regimes that deny even the most universal of rights are allowed to exis for centuries as God idly stands by and merely watches,tge most he does is inspire peopleto fight for their entitlements, and even then these people have no guarantee of victory, in a lot of cases, they lose and have what remains of their rights seized away from them.

It is up to the people to enforce the terms of this agreement, and at their disposal they are given every freedom it is possible to have in order to ensure that the contract is either renewed or rewritten under a new government after the old one is overthrown, in that case, the terms are up to us and the new government's representatives to write out.

There is no mention of rights in any holy book, there are instead a set of laws and decrees, which are enforced to varying levels, never is there any indication of what laws a lawmaker could not pass into power. It seems the only restriction is in offending God by disobeying him.

Even then his concern is only with having a people who are absolutely devoted to him, and to worshipping him in the correct way, which naturally includes obeying his every command to the letter without question or hesitation.

His greatest concern has nothing to do with rights, but with his obsession with limiting the freedom of religion by violently ensuring that his people remain uncorrupted by other competing religious beliefs. So in one great sense, he repeatedly violates his inviolable rights that he supposedly gave to his people.

Did God change his mind in the NT? No, because it is stated that he never changes his mind, his nature and will are eternal, his commands remain the same regardless of the events which pass on earth, remember, he exists outside of time and space, so there is no way that he would act as a temporally restricted being would in responding to earthly matters, the death of christ was no surprise to one who has simultaneously seen the beginning and end of all things.

There are not two contracts for such a being, only one. Lastly God appoints all rulers to their position, not just those who believe in him and obey him, he explicitly has the hold of a Pharaoh's heart, and can bend his will as he wishes it to be bent, he explicitly states he has appointed the kings of the enemies of Isreal, who he commands to be slaughtered.

This means that Stalin was appointed by God, he ruled with God's consent and by God's will, this was true even as he was a man who did not believe in him or respect his authority. When he died and his regime fell, it was by God's design that it should happen then and as it did.

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This is the rare true dichotomy.

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Does anyone else remember when Hercules first came out it was on late night tv? It was actually decent and violent and then it changed. I swear it wasnt always shit.

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I saw it saturdays somewhere around noon to 3ish, and Xena.