>>It is paganism and blasphemy to say that the eternal undying unborn all knowing sustainer of reality, became a mortal, born, dying, and limited man. It is nonsensical to me. no its not paganism if you understand that men are utterly sinful and need a savior from their sins. God had to step out from eternity to perform this for humankind at the right time even though the act was done before the foundation of the world. i have plenty of scriptures to tell you about the sinfulness of men and the holiness of God. sin is a crime agaisnt God that must be punished by the death according to the mosaic law. the jews had a system of sacrifice so that the people could atone for their sins because a holy God demands it. these sacrifices could temporally atone for the sins of the people but it could clean their conscience and these sacrifices were a pre-figuring of christ once and for all payment for all of our sins and transgressions. the book of isiah,the psalms,the book of daniel and even the law pointed all to christ sufferings for all mankind it was an act of love that moved God to send jesus christ to appear,born of a virgin in order to suffer and die for humankind's sins....without jesus there's no salvation possible because humans are filthy compared to the holiness and greatness of God. >>God does not need causality. He is free from need. He does not need the permission of Jesus, or the death of any entity to decide on a matter. His will is decreed absolutely, and nothing in this universe or outside of it can stop it. who says he was needy? it is us the ones that needs him. God the father doesnt need "permission" to do anything from the SON as the Son DOESNT NEED permission from the father or the holy spirit you muslims are confused. we are not preaching 3 Gods we are preaching ONE God that comprises of 3 persons each one with the SAME purpose but different in personality. muhammad couldnt understand this and made an error of accusing christians of being polytheists or pagans or infidels when in fact OUR SCRIPTURES from the old testament to the new speaks of this reality of the ONENESS OF GOD BUT also in the 3 persons of what we humanly call the trinity. >>6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live >>17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. >>14 May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all. >>Colossians 2:9 9 For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form, >>Isaiah 9:6 6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. >>John 1:14 14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth. >>John 10:30 30 I and the Father are one.” >>Luke 1:35 35 The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God. >>Matthew 1:23 23 “The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel” (which means “God with us”). >>Isaiah 63:10 ¶ But they rebelled, and vexed his holy Spirit: therefore he was turned to be their enemy, and he fought against them. about the suffering servant Isaiah​​ Chapter 53 >>1 Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed? 2 For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him. 3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. 4 ¶ Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. 5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. 6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. 7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth. 8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken. 9 And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth. 10 ¶ Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand. 11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities. 12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors. >>Daniel 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. see here? do you believe the prophets?? well, they declare that messiah had to die in order to bring salvation to humankind. sorry, if you think that all these prophets that came before muhammad are liars then you have a problem because none of these prophets and apostles lied. even the angel jibril(gabriel) told miriam (mary) that her son was going to be named isa (jesus which means salvation) and that he was going to be called son of God >>Luke 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. so you either believe the gospel or you will call God and the angels liars. its just that simple that's why to muslims we are the people of the book. we believe it!