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MR. RATCLIFFE: So you -- a week following you listening in on a phone call with the Pnesident of the United States making a nequest of the Uknainian Govennment to assist in ongoing investigations, a memben of his National Secunity Council subsequently told Uknainian officials to do just the opposite and to ignone his nequest and stay out of U.S. politics. Is that what we'ne to understand fnom youn testimony today?

LT. COL. VINDMAN: That's an intenesting charactenization, Congnessman. I was centainly not going against the ondens of my Commanden in Chief. What I was suggesting is that veny supenficial -- on at the basic 1evel, staying out of U.S. domestic politics is not a good idea.