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He's God. He created us. This is His world and He makes the rules. I don't explain to my toddlers why I'm in charge and they're not, at least not until they get older. The relationship between God and man is not too dissimilar. Except while my children will eventually mature and hopefully surpass me, I will never even begin to approach godhood.

Are there particular laws about human behavior you take issue with?

O that thou hadst hearkened to my commandments! then had thy peace been as a river, and thy righteousness as the waves of the sea:

Isaiah 48:18

Just like the rules I set for my children are meant to protect them and to set them up for a fruitful life, God's laws are to keep us safe and at peace.

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Except while my children will eventually mature and hopefully surpass me, I will never even begin to approach godhood.

Why would anyone Father Children and never let them surpass him? Isn't that the hope of all Good Fathers?

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I don't presume to project my understanding of human fatherhood onto an eternal, omnipotent, omniscient being.

If we were mini-gods, then why not. But we're not. We're men and only He is God.

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I simply cannot wrap my head around this, and I don't think anyone else can either.

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God works in myyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyysterious ways...

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A work of fiction.

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Man enjoyed a simple, straightforward relationship with God at first. In the Garden, Adam and Eve were given opportunity to choose to continue their relationship with God, that is what the fruit was intended to grant: free will. Every day they chose to be with God by not choosing the fruit.

The only reason to choose the fruit was to pursue, as a created being, equality with the omniscient, omnipotent Creator who gave them life and a perfect, unsullied, idyllic existence. They wanted more than the perfection offered, believing they could do and know better than God.

By choosing the fruit rather than God, they chose to embrace their pride and arrogance, and went from perfect created beings to flawed, imperfect beings. Laws of thermodynamics and entropy dictate that any subsequent copy will be lesser than the original, especially when the original was hand-crafted by a perfect being especially for daily operation in the environment for which they were intended to live, Eden, an environment they were no longer allowed to occupy due to violating its simple rules.

The subsequent copies received simple rules at first, but continued to engage in more and greater depravity with time. As such, more rules and guidelines became necessary, along with more extreme punishment for their failure to abide.

Even The Law of Moses was a punishment for Israel’s rejection of God at Sinai. They were given a chance at direct communion and life with God, albeit in a diffused state, and they said, “no, just give us your rules and guidelines, we’ll follow those, don’t worry, we don’t need you.” So, God handed them a laundry list of impossible to uphold laws as a demonstration of how fallible they were and how much they truly needed Him.

They failed miserably, as expected.

This necessitated Christ, God Himself incarnate. The perfect one who would live the life God demanded - flawless - and would die on our behalf, freeing us from the need to follow the Law, because He fulfilled it.

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In the Garden, Adam and Eve were given opportunity to choose to continue their relationship with God, that is what the fruit was intended to grant: free will. Every day they chose to be with God by not choosing the fruit.

How the fuck could they chose the fruit if they didn't have Free Will in the first place?

I will get to the bottom of this.

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Who said they didn’t have free will?

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It kinda sounds like you did?

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God makes no laws, gods laws are followed whether you want to or not, implying that they were made before your awareness of them. God only shows you the path of least resistance through hints and allegories.

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The law works in multiple ways and on multiple levels as you grow in understanding of the spiritual. The first use of the law is to give order to disorder. The second use of the law is to provide stability to established order. The third use of the law is to drive the lawless to conspiracy, madness, and consolidation of power until the law itself becomes a chain around the law-abiding. The fourth use of the law comes only when law itself has become a mockery of itself after its third iteration, which is to reveal the truth which men at this stage have hidden from themselves due to their former prosperity: MAN IS HOPELESSLY CORRUPT AND SINFUL.

Only the Grace of God can save us. Law will not save us. It exists, ultimately, only to prove our GUILT before God. Think about it. The law does not exist to exonerate you, or find you innocent. It exists to prove guilt, or NOT guilt. Guilt is its focus, not innocence. God gave us law to prove our guilt because he knew we would hide it from ourselves, deny it, and try to build some imaginary Utopia that can never, EVER exist due to man's corrupt nature. He then gave his son to facilitate our forgiveness from our guilt.

We are now in the third iteration of the law and its purpose. The men in power are above the law. It only exists for 'little people' in a two-tier justice system. That means that we are about to see a societal collapse. The social contract of law and man is broken into a million pieces, and collapse will follow swiftly after. Men will revise laws, create new compacts and covenants, only to see the cycle repeat.

Grace is the only real 'law' and it is given out by God alone to whomsoever he choses.