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That's a viewpoint that Calvinists hold which I struggle with too. Closest I can figure is this: God gives humans free will. We are free to do what we want. But God knows everything.

He knows where we will wind up and what we are destined to do. He will try to guide you and speak to you and give you signs, but ultimately it's our choice. In the question of final destination I think it's simply a matter of all paths leading to this future point. The actions of people are unable to change overall ending but can change the path to it.

For example: I believe Trump was an answer to a prayer the nation was giving to save us. So God interjected, sent us someone who COULD correct the nation. But in the end, he was disposed, and the country put back on the path we currently are headed on. We're still going to a point, just 4 years later than before. That's not to say we couldn't turn this ship around. Jonah helped to turn around the nation of Nineveh. If we as a nation return to Christ, we can fix this. But God knows, like pharaoh in Egypt, that our collective hearts as a nation are too hard to correct it.

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All roads lead to rome, and all futures lead to the beast and the antichrist.

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Well that sounds like we don't have Free Will then.

And I've been to Rome, the food is overrated and the city is dirty.

[–] • 2 pts

Well that sounds like we don't have Free Will then.

Theres a disconnect here. I view it as we have free will over our choices, not over the outcomes. We're not given influence of the world or external events, we're only given influence of ourselves.

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Exactly. It's not that we can't change the side details of his coming, but in the end, he is coming.

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I just can't reconcile God knowing everything while Humans having Free Will.

It has definitely been weighing on me recently. Any further input you had would be appreciated.

[–] • 3 pts (edited )

Let's put it into the context of a super computer. I don't mean to belittle our Lord this way, but imagine a computer simulation that created a scenario, and has calculated every possible outcome, so in theory "knows everything". But one of the parameters of the simulation is that it cannot force itself upon the test subjects, aka humanity.

As a result, God knows everything. He created everything. God is love. But God also gifted us with the ability to make decisions. If we're in His image, we can only assume that this was an important detail that his creation must have.

As a result, God has seen that the Jews, blindly thinking they're his "chosen people" and acting foolishly to follow whom they think is the "messiah" will aid and raise up a man who is able to perform miracles, make speaking statues, and even predict the future. And if you reread revelation, much like Genesis 1, you begin to see how modern technology which is progressing as it is could fill EVERY detail of of the antichrist. What you, me, Joey on the corner so will not stop him from coming.

What we CAN do is accept Jesus, worship and love the Lord, and watch the show as it unfolds with the knowledge that whatever else happens, Jesus has prepared a place for us in his kingdom.

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Excellent comment,

But Please, ,

For the Love of God,

Separate this into a couple of paragraphs so it is more easily readable to people who are as retarded as I am.

[–] • 2 pts (edited )

We are the God.

Without us there is no God.

We are all born with part of the God within us.

It's this primal drive, urge, emotion, restlessnes and energy within us that exists, but is impossible to describe, and it is what separates us from animals.

(((Evil forces))) on this planet are doing everything to control and suppress this God within us through fabricated false religions, mind games and other methods, but the longer they suppres it the more powerful will be it's reemergence.

All you need to do to strength the God within you is to have faith in it's existence and to acknowledged that having a part of it within you is what makes you a God as well.

This is what gives you the power to make your will come true.

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Why God want us to worship him or trust him in the first place?

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There is no point in worshiping God - it's a design implemented by fabricated plastic religions meant only to be used to control society.

You need to have faith that there is a power within you that makes you more than a mindless drone that this society forces you to be.

Call this power God or Steve, it don't matter, as long as you are aware of it and use it to discover your purpose in life and give you a drive to fulfill it.

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What are your thoughts on the bad force inside of everyone that allows you to hurt other people?

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Great discussion. TY everyone.

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It's quite simple. I have knowledge of the end of Tess Holiday. She will develop some combination of hypertension, diabetes, fatty liver, gout, destroyed joints, and heart disease. She will die young.

This doesn't mean her end is predetermined or that she lacks free will, simply that the outcome of her pattern of behaviour is predictable. She could stop stuffing her face, but it's statistically improbable.

When it comes to the world as a whole, a sufficient number of people will continue to accelerate into a wall that individual free will to repent wont stop mankind as a whole from bringing the whole rotten mess down.

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Exactly, you're not here to choose, you are here to do, and report back when it's over. You chose before you were aware of your choice, and if you keep trying to change course you'll never get anywhere.

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Huh.

This sounds weird and fucked up but it reeks of something more.

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The choice has already been made, but you keep making new ones which take time to manifest, and you wonder why things happen the way they do. Your choices keep overlapping and create a holographic pattern you experience. Stop making more choices if you want this pattern to stabilize, easier said than done, you lack focus.

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you lack focus

Well. Yeah, pretty much.

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I think the problem with this question is the assumption that God experiences time in the same fashion that we do.

Eternity supercedes finite existence, and is unconstrained by it.

God is not a materialist. He supercedes the matter and its motions. Temporality gains permanence by inheritance from God and eternity, despite its entropic characteristic.

We are something of both the material and the immaterial nature of existence. The fall of man has created an inherited weakenss or disease in man. Armenius and Calvin are both wrong in their own way. The struggle between them is a false dichotomy.

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Humans have the illusion of free will

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I've got Free Will.

Although I would probably say the same thing if I didn't.

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If God knows what the future holds, then all our choices are already made, aren’t they? Free will must be an illusion. Where is your free will? Is it part of your brain, or does it emanate from someplace outside your body and somehow control your actions?

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Something I read long ago; I think it was from Aquinas in the Summa Theologica but I'm not sure anymore. (Or it may have been one of Archbishop Fulton Sheen's talks)

In a nutshell.. "God" sees existence the same way you or I look at a painting, a painting that spans all of time and space. It sees the choices we make whenever we make them at any given point from a perspective outside of time. You still make a choice of your own free will.

One could argue that "Time" is God. But I would like to believe that there could be an "entity" God; a force that exists above the laws of time; the law of time that we and the rest of the finite observable universe must obey.

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I'd never look at a painting, and I'm not nearly as gay as God.