I never considered them a real metal band. Wannabes and posers.
I've always heard my gen call them not posers but sell outs cause of the sound changes and such. But tbh I'm in the minority that is like, "They had some early good stuff, but the black album is where they really started hitting their stride"
First three albums were great, they kneecapped an epic fourth album by mixing out the bass to prank their new bass player, and the fifth album is when they signed the agreement to sell out.
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