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Don't get me wrong. China and others have been taking full advantage of our stupidity and undercutting our own manufacturing. Even if we wanted to make it here, it would be impossible because state-funded Chinese companies would simply undercut until the competition is gone.

Here's why I think it's dangerous: He's applying tariffs to China. That's literally the only way we're going to stop the flood, we have to make it so the flood can't get here and that's by making imports from China far more expensive.

HOWEVER, China has already been moving things to other countries. Viet Nam in particular is a low-renter's low-rent place. This country wants to negotiate a like-for-like 0% trade tariff setup. With Chinese companies already having a foothold in the country, they'll just move things there instead. Mega-factories will pop up there just like they did in China, and we'll have the same flood of crap in a few years - except at 0% import.

We're doing the equivalent of the Maginot Line. China is simply going to walk around the wall and right back into the country.

Don't get me wrong. China and others have been taking full advantage of our stupidity and undercutting our own manufacturing. Even if we wanted to make it here, it would be impossible because state-funded Chinese companies would simply undercut until the competition is gone. Here's why I think it's dangerous: He's applying tariffs to China. That's literally the only way we're going to stop the flood, we have to make it so the flood can't get here and that's by making imports from China far more expensive. HOWEVER, China has already been moving things to other countries. Viet Nam in particular is a low-renter's low-rent place. This country wants to negotiate a like-for-like 0% trade tariff setup. With Chinese companies already having a foothold in the country, they'll just move things there instead. Mega-factories will pop up there just like they did in China, and we'll have the same flood of crap in a few years - except at 0% import. We're doing the equivalent of the Maginot Line. China is simply going to walk around the wall and right back into the country.

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I like that people think that tariffs will solve this without first fixing monetary policy.

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I hate to be reductionist, but the Giga-Kikes in the Fed responsible for our monetary policy are also responsible for our shit fiscal policy.

Remember how we used to have to either raise taxes or sell war bonds if we wanted to go to war? Ever wonder why we don't do that so much anymore?

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I’m well aware, my friend.

When they can print as much as they like and then pass the debt to the taxpayers, and on top of it their jew buddies get to collect the interest on the borrowed money, where shit gets manufactured doesn’t mean a whole lot.

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But then China will have the unemployed, and loss of factories. Only the commie overlords will be rich trying to feed their billion citizens.

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In China, you exist at the pleasure of the state. If you no longer pleasure the state, they won't support you. Factories are state owned.

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The pleasure of the state will be to throw a billion people into the war meat grinder somewhere. Solves the problem of unemployed.

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That is a kwik n ezy solution.

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The purpose of the tarrifs is twofold. They have equal weight. First is to open foreign markets to US goods. Second is to convince manufacturers to make thier poduct here and hire americans to do it.

Opening their markets is something even their people want becasue american stuff is desired around the world.

The tarrifs are also meant to convince the billionaires to bring manufacturing here so that they can actually make more money because of the expansion of the economy, especially since they are losing a few million customers as they get deported. Think about this... an Iphone can be assembled in 6 minutes so a worker can do ten an hour and even with a 50% markup on his 40 an hour their cost is still only 6 bucks per unit... a lot to them but nothing to the consumer... so we just need to hold fast and let them bring that shit home. Secondly.. the press is lying about the effect of tarrifs on retail it is on the billionaries who will suffer big because of volume. The reason is a tariff is paid at the port so if a 250 dollar purse costs a store 100 bucks, but only costs 50 bucks at the border a 60% tarrif would raise the price to 80 at the border, so the 30 bucks needs to be absorbed or passed on.. so if 20 is passed on then the retail price jumps to 280 or 12% on a luxury item not 400 like the press is claiming. An avocado is 40 cents at the border and 1.29 at the store. The tariff at 20% would be 8 cents... the store eats half and raise the price less than a nickel... We need open markets and we need incentives to bring manufacturing home so we can be self sufficient and tell the world to suck it on any given day.

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There was some dick cheese on the radio today talking about this exact scenario with nam. He says they are working to insure that does not happen.

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I forget which president it was, but he implemented a ton of tarrifs which greatly exacerbated the great depression. I get what Trump is trying to do, but it's the wrong time for it. We're teetering on a very bad recession after the shit show that was Biden, and if we now go into one, these tarrifs will fuck the lower class 12 ways from Sunday.

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I think its dog and pony for the masses.

Trade negotiations are common place. This is just one being done with a lot of fanfare attached to it so Americans believe we are getting something out of it.

I Agree with the goy in chief on a single issue. --- These fucking countries everywhere all charge us ridiculous amounts of money to sell our things there, that needs to change.

I also see your point. This is part of the reason China pushes Hong Kong and Taiwan so heavily. They know these are manufacturing hubs with ties here, that they are not collecting from. They dont need to push in Africa of much of the rest of Asia. They are already heavily present.

I predict China moving some of its manufacturing to Africa in the coming decade. They have been doing infrastructure there for 2 at least now. Substandard substandard electronics will be the newest export

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There are ways to stop them from going around too. It's a back and forth, yes, "we can keep doing this back and forth, or you can come to a deal."

"Look at the big picture." Does it all matter so long as the Fed is around?

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Nothing matters until that's gone.

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Yeah, the problem needs to not just be by physical country but by the ownership of the company.

If it's china owned I don't care if the factory is in Kansas, the money is still going to china.

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Absolutely, and that's the issue.