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Vaccines and antibiotics never once saved my life.

The fact that I never had to eat rotten food or drink shit-contaminated water have saved my life countless times.

Don't thank doctors. Thank your engineers.

Vaccines and antibiotics never once saved my life. The fact that I never had to eat rotten food or drink shit-contaminated water have saved my life countless times. Don't thank doctors. Thank your engineers.

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[–] 12 pts

I'd say antibiotics have saved countless lives.

I agree with the sentiment but you can't discount the importance of antibiotics.

[–] 9 pts

And penicillin.

But really, the biggest mover of the needle are the advances in child birth. The number of baby deaths really skewed the life expectancy ratios.

[–] 3 pts

This is the one that drives me nuts. "hey there my guy did you know the average life expectancy in the middle ages was 30? everyone in europe was illiterate haha whites dumb lmoa" Childbirth is a terrifying thing, a lot can go wrong very easily especially with malnutrition or unclean water. There was a very high infant mortality rate in those times which meant perhaps for every 1 person that made it to adulthood 1 would die (i dont know the real numbers so dont take my word for it) which would halve the average life expectancy making a population that lives on average to 80 statistically only live to 40, then throw in medieval warfare and you have another few years off the average life expectancy. Also illiteracy had nothing to do with intelligence, it just wasnt necessary at the time. Reading was a luxury to most, people who spent their daily lives working land didnt need to read shit, you could get most of the information you needed by word of mouth and i suspect communities were far more close knit in those days too.

The perversion of history has been a high priority for jews.

[–] 5 pts

Exactly. While you can argue the merits of vaccines, antibiotics have saved countless lives.

[–] 3 pts

I agree with the sentiment but you can't discount the importance of antibiotics.

Agreed but double edged sword there too. Depends on how they were administered. A For Instance. I had Spinal Meningitis in 63, nearly killed me. AFTER that I got a shitload of infections. Strep, Staph ,ear etc. Each time the 60's medical protocol was antibiotics. As a result, It killed all my bacteria, good and bad and left my immune system a pile of junk. As a result I don't get "sick". I get massive infections that bring me to deaths door in hours. THROUGH the door twice in the last ten years only to be crossed back over into this world. I am immune to nearly ALL antibiotics now. In 2013 I had an infection that lodged in my throat and blocked my windpipe. After being intubated and coma'd for a week it went down a bit but the infection wouldn't budge. They ended up cutting my throat and going in and actually scraping the infection out. Not fun. So yes I DO agree that they can work wonders but if overdone can cause a shit ton of trouble too.

[–] 4 pts

Sounds like you went through hell. My neighbor was prescribed a couple courses of antibiotics for something minor which then caused Clostridium Difficile to run rampant. Guess what the doctor prescribed for the C.diff. More antibiotics; Vancomycin (which helped somewhat but C.diff is hard to treat.) It took a healthy diet of homemade sour Kraut, among other foods, certain probiotics and yeasts to kill the C.diff and for recolonization of healthy gut bacteria.

[–] 2 pts

C. diff. The gift that keeps on giving. when I was in for the throat abscess they kept checking me for that. I still don't know why. I don't like Doctors. They are fine if its a broken bone or something the presents with no doubt but when it comes to figuring shit out, they're all kids in a closet. And I wouldn't mind that so much if they'd just ADMIT that and stop playing friggin God.

[–] 2 pts

I should've rephrased it.

I don't discount antibiotics. They are very useful.

However, they do not need to be used nearly as often when you aren't drinking shit contaminated water.

[–] 2 pts

So many scrapes and simple injuries and infections are fatal. You can die from an ingrown hair or toenail without antibiotics.

Every prepper worth half a shit has huge amounts of antibiotics for use and barter.

Don't know of any preppers looking to stockpile vaccines.

[–] 5 pts

So many scrapes and simple injuries and infections are fatal. You can die from an ingrown hair or toenail without antibiotics.

I don't know about that statement. I cut myself on probably 1/3 jobs I do. I've never had a serious infection from any of them.

[–] 1 pt

For twenty years straight I had nothing but open wounds and dirt all over me daily working outside. Never got an infection bc I practiced hygiene and the outdoors is not that gross.

Human concentrated environments are very filthy by nature so people get infections easily from the shit lurking in public places. Hospitals, stores, your house may be the bugger threat than a wound etc per se.

[–] 2 pts

Yes and no. They saved lives as a bandaid. But sanitation and prevention is better. People lived to be very old in ancient times without them because people didn’t live in dirty filthy cities and had good hygiene. Nomadic herders in marginal lands often live to very old ages with great health and rarely encounter illnesses as we do in the modern world.

[–] 4 pts

"Modern medicine" is a for-profit business. Operations are the product of hospitals (factories). Pills are the product of pharmaceutical plants. Health insurance is a ponzi scheme that causes many people to "use" their insurance to constantly go to the doctor so they can find something wrong with you that changing your diet or lifestyle could fix, but taking pills the doctor prescribes to you fuels the medical industrial complex. It's a bad system.

[–] 4 pts

It's a system of control these days. Take your vax kids or lose your job even a career or worse. Die for your UPS driving job.

[–] 3 pts

Life expectancy is directly correlated to energy, as in oil.

[–] 2 pts

Sanitary sewer systems and chlorinated water and antibiotics. Vaccines are fake. Virii probably are as well.

[–] 2 pts

Modern medicine is a Rockefeller abomination

[–] 2 pts

Disposable paper tissues vs. snot rags or your sleeve or farmer blows.
The sheer volume of snot that would have been on everyone's clothing and hands and hair.... so disgusting.
Kleenex was introduced in 1920.

[–] 2 pts

Antibiotics have saved many, many lives, and I'm really fucking glad they existed a few times personally.

A handful of vaccines are important, but many of them are dangerous (mainly because of the adjuvants used), and the ones that do not create immunity (e.g. influenza, COVID injections) should be illegal.

[–] 0 pt

Doctors pumped so many antibiotic into my system as a kid, now I can't tolerate any of them. I had swelling of the brain from a trio of vaccines I was given....thanks modern medicine!/sarc I was sick for years and it damaged my heart. Fuck doctors.

[–] 0 pt

Has your life been saved?

[–] 2 pts (edited )

I don't know. I'm still alive and took antibiotics, which cleared up my infected tooth almost immediately.

I was also bitten by a tick in South America that I didn't notice until it was bloated with blood. A red ring developed around the bite days later. It went away with doxycycline. That was almost surely early lyme disease that I knocked out with doxy.

It's also cleared a few other nasty infections, especially sinus infections. Those were likely not fatal, but I'm glad I had antibiotics around.

[–] 0 pt

I still have all the signs of life.

I breath, I have a heartbeat, I am warm to the touch.

But when I think, I don't think like a human would.

It is more like a reptile,

I need to eat. I need to find shelter. I need to bask in the Sun.

I exist, but for nothing at all.

I am here, because someone made me be here.

[–] 2 pts

Doctors are a leading cause of death. Overdoing treatments to get paid more, accidents, being cruel bc they can get away with it. IIRC the third leading cause of death now is medical error. And that’s just what officially got reported, doesn’t include people who weren’t able or willing to report or when hospitals hide what happened. I don’t trust them. They almost killed me once.

[–] 0 pt

How did they almost kill you*

[–] 1 pt

They forced me to have a c section then I almost bled to death. Refused to let me leave the hospital and screamed at me that I had no choice(which is super illegal, technically they’re guilty of kidnapping and consent under duress as well as medical battery but I wasn’t together enough after to press charges or find a lawyer willing to help). I woke up after surgery with my oxygen in the 40s and a nurse says that’s bad before I passed back out. The doctor later said she stood there laughing at me as I bled, my blood all over her was funny. Funny to a spic mutt with a blood lust. They did the cut wrong too. A vertical cut inside and horizontal on the outside instead of just 1 horizontal cut, which hurt for 2 years after. It looks like a medical student did their first surgery on me but the bitch had worked there for well over a decade. 2 lb breech baby with a mom who’s already had 1 kid, ready to deliver, they had no reason to cut her out of me except to play in my blood like psychos and make extra money off the surgery. They taught me a lot about oxygen levels bc we had a premie. It should never drop so low. I know I almost died. I left my body for a minute when I passed out too. I went outside the hospital to escape them and left my body. Only went back bc my kids needed me cuz otherwise fuck this cruel gay Earth.

[–] 0 pt

You need to find a lawyer to sue, fuck that hospital and every employee involved in making those decisions.

[–] 2 pts

clean water changed everything. plumbing next. better food quality (specifically removal of parasites), reduction in pollution. soap was always there but not access to water. refrigeration gave us time. But it was clean water. if you had to point to one thing

[–] 1 pt

soap

Then why aren't NEETs dropping like flies?

[–] 1 pt

Mountain Dew and Doritos contain enough artificial preservatives to chemically sanitize them.

[–] 1 pt

True, that.

Does that mean they count as antibiotics?

[–] 1 pt

Don't forget the extinction of saber toothed cats and dire wolves, LOL

[–] 2 pts

You think they went extinct without our help?

[–] 1 pt

I wouldn't doubt that it was a contributing factor...

[–] 2 pts

Ancient humans killed a lot of Monsters.

Now we just have to deal with the Monsters that disguise themselves as humans.

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