>so how much of it is morons voting VS outright fraud Oh it's definitely more fraud, committed by the "we must save democracy by cheating" crowd, except now we just witnessed a red wave of people who voted, saw the exit polls, and now they finally get to experience the corruption themselves for the first time. They will be auditing, volunteering, poll watching and getting involved. There will always be the 4-6% "dyed in the wool" but no one is going to take anymore of it over their eyes. You know, when a Tsunami hits the water seems to disappear or "run away" before it comes roaring back, and with a just vengeance it drowns all those too stupid to understand what's happening. They always seem to do this, walking "far out" into the ocean towards the retreating water. Some people just have no sense.