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Guy emails with a job quite above my skill level, with a number of "must haves" that I don't have, and have never worked with. When I said that I don't know anything about what you've just said other than "I can spell these words," his reply was that the environment offers really great OJT and we can help you improve your skills, and this one guy used that to get some high-level certification! Yeah, I'm sure he just walked in and aced that test with no previous knowledge.

It's really hard to create an analogy for someone that's supposed to be talking to you about technical matters, but the best thing I could come up with was "You can drive a car, with a little OJT you'll be a senior automotive repair tech!"

I've always found that companies that want certain skills and are hiring for projects aren't going to wait around a year while you take classes and learn how to do something new so you can do the job they hired you for, and I'm not willing to pick up and move halfway across the country for a job I know I can't do.

Guy emails with a job quite above my skill level, with a number of "must haves" that I don't have, and have never worked with. When I said that I don't know anything about what you've just said other than "I can spell these words," his reply was that the environment offers really great OJT and we can help you improve your skills, and this one guy used that to get some high-level certification! Yeah, I'm sure he just walked in and aced that test with no previous knowledge. It's really hard to create an analogy for someone that's supposed to be talking to you about technical matters, but the best thing I could come up with was "You can drive a car, with a little OJT you'll be a senior automotive repair tech!" I've always found that companies that want certain skills and are hiring for projects aren't going to wait around a year while you take classes and learn how to do something new so you can do the job they hired you for, and I'm not willing to pick up and move halfway across the country for a job I know I can't do.

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well train you

You'll become a slave. They're going to put you in a lower paying position with more hectic and stressful hours then if you try to quit you'll be (((charged))) for training.

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Not true. They never "charge" you for any training.

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I heard they did do that at the gay brothel where Anticlutch used to work.

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He needed training?

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Exactly. Thanks for pointing that out. F that guy.

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https://archive.ph/RZ8ZF

Workers across the United States in fields ranging from nursing to trucking have been discouraged from leaving jobs they hate or can’t afford to keep because employers vow to charge them for training costs if they quit before an arbitrary deadline.

Fuck off kike. Seriously you are so obvious it's baffling to me you haven't been banned yet. You don't even try to not come off as a jew.

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Dummy, you just get fired or laid off. You can’t be charged for training if they decide to let you go.

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Fuck you faggot. You're literally the biggest homo gay fuck here.

Nobody charges for training in the IT space you m'fer. You call everyone a kike jew. Moshe mohol rabbi.

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They didn't say they would train me, just that OJT was available. I'm still expected to come in with these skills, except that the recruiter didn't understand the difference between "I barely know what this is" and "I have experience using this that is relevant to your requisition."

I believe in this case that the recruiter is one of the people that constantly call and have no real understanding of how to make sure that my experience matches their keyword.

In this case, the keyword was FPGA. I know what that is, they're a common thing in electronics. Can I write a program for one? No. Is it even on my resume? No.

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Sort of like the sign on bonus scam companies have going, where they pay you one sum, which you get taxed on, meaning you never can repay the sign on bonus if you leave, since you would need to pay more money than you ever received

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3rd party recruiters are just sharks. He's lying the company, he's lying to you, he's hoping that neither of you notice so that he can collect his commission.

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This one is a company recruiter. Even worse.

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If it is technology (including coding), you don't need - nor is that appropriate - years of experience and you really should learn/relearn the tech/language/system.

Whether or not you've work on similar technology in the past is more appropriate. Libraries, methods, versions, and features are changing all the time.

If you have managed an Identity and Access Management system 5 years ago and a company is looking for someone to manage an IAM system, that's perfectly fine. You'll learn the new products and features. The concepts will still be relevant. And you had better brush up on best practices when you take the job.

If you're a coder, you obviously would familiarize yourself with new libraries, methods, features as they are released. You had better do it. And if you're rusty in that language, you had better brush up on it.

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In this case, it's a specialized hardware language that I've never used. Is the employer going to wait for me to learn VHDL and Verilog? No.

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I would. It shouldn't take more than a couple of weeks to start being effective and 2 months to be productive.

Never used C# and got thrown on a project that required coding in C#. It was similar enough to Java (but still different enough that I had to do a lot of reading, copying, and pasting in the beginning). Created a secure print service firmware. Took me a couple of weeks. That was in addition to other projects. Similar story for the Apple Watch when it came out: NFC to open badge readers. A new tech that no one developed, ever. We wanted to be "latest and greatest." And we did it. Took 2 months. Had a working prototype (that was shitty) in 2 weeks. I don't do any of this shit anymore but this was par for the course: new shit all the time that none of us had ever done before. You just do it. It's the willingness to do the work, research, and dig in that hiring management should look for.

Nothing crazy or extreme about learning IEEE content. Make a list. Document current state. Document target state. Document gaps. And formalize efforts around those gaps to hit the requirements/target state. Stand up a test group/test process. Have acceptance testing in place after passing. Have a clear set of UI/UX requirements from right out the gate. If it helps, create a persona and walk the persona through the features to ensure the persona needs are met with the product. To make things easier, define with your sponsor/client what a minimum viable product looks like and work towards that (goes a long way to have an MVP - makes your clients very happy).

Basically, if you've done any work even remotely in the same area, you're qualified if you have a willingness to get work done. That can come out in your interview and references.

Edit - I've talked with you about some stuff on this site. You have a good brain. You're selling yourself short.

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Saying I'm selling myself short on one point is kind of unfair, so let me give you the rest of the job:

RF knowledge at a product to market level. Implies knowledge of PCB for RF design, codes, standards, and practices for consumer devices. Probably means you're required to know BT and WiFi stacks, as well as all of the standards that dictate that.

FPGA/VHDL/Verilog/C# at a single point of contact / knowledge base level, with product to market experience. This person is the senior engineer and is over others working with the same devices.

Military contract product to market knowledge. This is a military contractor, and as the person is the lead, implies knowledge of all of the standards that entails, and that's a nightmare in itself. You need a person just for this point.

Test engineering, Product development, Project management, every aspect of electrical design knowledge from Cables to Packaging.

Will "Wear Many Hats"

PMP needed.

Clearance required.

edit: There's some software packages listed, I'm familiar with it and rejected it at a previous employer as "overly complex, too expensive, and doesn't do it better than what we have now." Did I mention this person is the top guy and is a manager over other engineers? They want someone that's coming in and hitting the ground running.

This is literally the top person. And I bet you they don't pay shit for Boston. There's no fucking way I'm qualified for this - My engineering manager who is the top dude at my current place would probably look at this and go "Wow..."

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Every company is begging for workers right now. no one wants to work full time / show up anymore

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Right.

I've had a company after me for 6 months for a senior tech role. I finally reached out to them a few weeks ago and made to interview with them. First round went very well, and it's enough of a challenge that I was kind of excited.

Pay? Not so much. It's maybe a few percent more than my current pay for a lot more know-how and duties. It's no wonder they can't find anyone, they want a mid-tier engineer at a mid-level tech salary.

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Recruiters know fuck all. They just have to hit numbers.

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I know. This one was even an internal to the company guy for a fairly large defense contractor. You'd think he'd at least have a clue.

But, going back over our conversation, I can see where he was coming from. I could have interviewed for that position, but I think once we got into some deep questions about what I've done in the past, I'd have been kicked out pretty quickly.

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Yeah... defense contractor. I'd imagine that "Have you ever sneezed in the direction of anyone left of Mao?" precludes you.

That's fair, but i'd also advise you don't let some HR byline prevent you from swinging at fastballs.

I was woefully under-qualified for the jobs I've gotten in the past. Fake it til you make it.

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Regardless of how qualified I am, it was in Metro Boston. That's a no-go, Chopper Dave.

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I was recruited for job like this. 15y later I work at home lurking here and there. Make good money

Sometimes all you need is the foot in the door.