To be successful, there a some things that have held true a couple thousands of years, regardless of your beliefs.

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Mate you are taking this as an personal insult...

No. I'm just trying to talk this through.

I live in one of the most densly populated cities in Europe. My eyes, ears and brain work well, I'm often out and about and can see that huge number of young White men now in their teens that are going through the same shit I went through. My family was the only fucked up one on the street where I lived, now on the street where I live there are just a few families that can be considered normal.

Okay that's good (the ratio) then bad. But I still don't see how the value of "respecting (your) parents" is wrong. I'm of the belief that this type of shift in cultural normality is what brought is to the further degradation (as you pointed out from your youth to what you see now) of the family and it's role.

You say that I'm against Nuclear family, while if we kept that way of life, society would never degenerate to how it is now.

No I don't want to come off as saying that or putting words in your mouth. I'm saying that the idea that "respect must be earned" is also applied to the family is something that 1) you are saying and 2) I disagree with and 3) that it feels against the nuclear family.

Also, to remind you, I never said not to respect parents, only that respect has to be earned and maintained.

You did not but what you did say I disagree with. Fixing problems within a child's family life to the point that he respect his parents won't fix the reason why those things happened. That's a separate issue from his situation and it's a separate issue from the idea the OP posted "Respect your parents.". A lot of things about society aren't just "fix this thing now" and the solution is easy and doable. Thera re many different failures at hand that must be addressed first before a fix is even though about.

It does though appear we have very different world views. And I have no one but my parents to thank for that. I was only able to afford my house because instead of going to a (((bank))) my parents took money out of their retirement to "loan" me. Then to n ot incur the early retirement withdrawal penalty they refinanced their home at a lower rate. So I now pay 2.5% interest (to cover the 2.5% they pay, they're not jewing me).

So that's partially why I believe this. And I do understand that you've experienced different and others do too. However I think it's important to remove oneself and one's own experiences from making statements about how the whole should be.

So I don't want to bore you, or talk in circles. I think this just stems from what a lot of things come down to, we have vastly (or slightly enough) different life experiences and we view our world through that lens and no other.

>Mate you are taking this as an personal insult... No. I'm just trying to talk this through. >I live in one of the most densly populated cities in Europe. My eyes, ears and brain work well, I'm often out and about and can see that huge number of young White men now in their teens that are going through the same shit I went through. My family was the only fucked up one on the street where I lived, now on the street where I live there are just a few families that can be considered normal. Okay that's good (the ratio) then bad. But I still don't see how the value of "respecting (your) parents" is wrong. I'm of the belief that this type of shift in cultural normality is what brought is to the further degradation (as you pointed out from your youth to what you see now) of the family and it's role. >You say that I'm against Nuclear family, while if we kept that way of life, society would never degenerate to how it is now. No I don't want to come off as saying that or putting words in your mouth. I'm saying that the idea that "respect must be earned" is also applied to the family is something that 1) you are saying and 2) I disagree with and 3) that it feels against the nuclear family. >Also, to remind you, I never said not to respect parents, only that respect has to be earned and maintained. You did not but what you did say I disagree with. Fixing problems within a child's family life to the point that he respect his parents won't fix the reason why those things happened. That's a separate issue from his situation and it's a separate issue from the idea the OP posted "Respect your parents.". A lot of things about society aren't just "fix this thing now" and the solution is easy and doable. Thera re many different failures at hand that must be addressed first before a fix is even though about. It does though appear we have very different world views. And I have no one but my parents to thank for that. I was only able to afford my house because instead of going to a (((bank))) my parents took money out of their retirement to "loan" me. Then to n ot incur the early retirement withdrawal penalty they refinanced their home at a lower rate. So I now pay 2.5% interest (to cover the 2.5% they pay, they're not jewing me). So that's partially why I believe this. And I do understand that you've experienced different and others do too. However I think it's important to remove oneself and one's own experiences from making statements about how the whole should be. So I don't want to bore you, or talk in circles. I think this just stems from what a lot of things come down to, we have vastly (or slightly enough) different life experiences and we view our world through that lens and no other.

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