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First place has been looking for people for the better part of three years. They did a knee-jerk layoff at the beginning of the plandemic and of course those people moved on. Pay has been steadily rising and is now in the "acceptable" category, but they're so ingrained in the overtime method that the broadsheets for the job proudly state you're going to be working overtime every day (mandatory) and on Saturday (mandatory per needs of the business.) Position isn't even direct hire, you have an undetermined contract time which changes with each recruiter that calls. Former contact there told me they worked pretty much every Saturday, that's why they left. Of course, getting people with 10-20 years of experience in an environment most people will never experience with those terms isn't going to be easy. So instead they whine that no one wants to work.

Second company wants a laundry list of skills, and the pay is marginal for those skills. They've been looking most of this year, and they want a 12+ month contract to hire before you get hired by the company, so no benefits, insurance, or anything for at least a year. Anyone that's not 22 isn't going to be able to easily consider that, but I've sent some people to that job to interview. I know these people had all of the primary skills the company wants, and they have the certs and track record to prove it. They never hear anything beyond the initial interview, not even a "sorry, not sorry now go away." The place is being a really choosy beggar with hiring, and the person they're trying to replace has already left for another position in the company. This company, through another contact, has complained that things are slim pickings. Others I've mentioned it to say the skill set and the pay don't match well, and there's no way they can take a 12 month contract with a family.

Other places in the area are still trying to pay under $16 for a degree required, skills required job, and wondering why they don't get anyone. So when I hear no one wants to work, I usually reply "at the price you want to pay for the skillset."

Companies are simply unwilling to pay for the skills they want, and are unwilling to train prospects or even consider those who have a good background but not all of the things they want immediately, but still demand that you stick around on your own dime and hope they decide to actually hire you. I wonder why no one wants to work?

First place has been looking for people for the better part of three years. They did a knee-jerk layoff at the beginning of the plandemic and of course those people moved on. Pay has been steadily rising and is now in the "acceptable" category, but they're so ingrained in the overtime method that the broadsheets for the job proudly state you're going to be working overtime every day (mandatory) and on Saturday (mandatory per needs of the business.) Position isn't even direct hire, you have an undetermined contract time which changes with each recruiter that calls. Former contact there told me they worked pretty much every Saturday, that's why they left. Of course, getting people with 10-20 years of experience in an environment most people will never experience with those terms isn't going to be easy. So instead they whine that no one wants to work. Second company wants a laundry list of skills, and the pay is marginal for those skills. They've been looking most of this year, and they want a 12+ month contract to hire before you get hired by the company, so no benefits, insurance, or anything for at least a year. Anyone that's not 22 isn't going to be able to easily consider that, but I've sent some people to that job to interview. I know these people had all of the primary skills the company wants, and they have the certs and track record to prove it. They never hear anything beyond the initial interview, not even a "sorry, not sorry now go away." The place is being a really choosy beggar with hiring, and the person they're trying to replace has already left for another position in the company. This company, through another contact, has complained that things are slim pickings. Others I've mentioned it to say the skill set and the pay don't match well, and there's no way they can take a 12 month contract with a family. Other places in the area are still trying to pay under $16 for a degree required, skills required job, and wondering why they don't get anyone. So when I hear no one wants to work, I usually reply "at the price you want to pay for the skillset." Companies are simply unwilling to pay for the skills they want, and are unwilling to train prospects or even consider those who have a good background but not all of the things they want immediately, but still demand that you stick around on your own dime and hope they decide to actually hire you. I wonder why no one wants to work?

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[–] 8 pts

It may all be a con to field some h1b shit skins. They put out adverts for positions demanding loads of experience with paltry pay so they can run to the government and be like, see? We can't find workers, let's import some from India.

[–] 6 pts

Possibly, but the stuff these companies are doing involves hands-on work. One of them, if you mess up you get several thousand amps of current through your body. They work in flame-retardant suits.

[–] [deleted] 3 pts

If only I could find some American workers applications amongst all these h1b visas!

[–] 4 pts

We did it to ourselves by sending all of the jobs offshore to reduce costs. Now that everything is 'cheap' no company can afford to pay a living wage to qualified workers while at the same time continue to pay dividends and management bonuses.

[–] 1 pt

We did it to ourselves

Romney and congress did it.

The senate did it.

The banks did it.

Now I don't want to hear any more of this victim blaming horseshit.

[–] 0 pt

"I don't want to hear any more of this victim blaming horseshit."

I didn't say "you did it". It's "we" as in all of America. And that includes all those fucking assholes dead set on destroying our way of life because we didn't line them up in a dark alley for a bullet to the head.

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I didn't say "you did it".

I didnt claim you did.

"All america" didnt allow this either. We were blind sided by enemies intent on destroying us on a long enough timeline.

I get the general thrust of what you're writing though. It wasnt on us to prevent it, because if we could have, it wouldnt have--but it is on Americans to stop it.

A good morning mantra for everything in life is if it is to be, it is up to me.

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[–] [deleted] 3 pts (edited )

You can find employees management then ruins any work you would get out of them by thinking the office place is a democracy. At my company it's literally impossible to tell anyone to go fucking learn something. People spend 3 hours trying to figure out how to do something then give up get all pissy when you tell them to go back and try again. Get in arguments constantly with morons who insist an apple is an orange. It is funny absolutely ass blasting people when they are like i tried so hard this is impossible and i tell them to do one thing and it works. People at work hate me and i dont care because im not there to suck dick.

[–] 3 pts

The answer for shortage of workers is really simple, and it's twofold:

  • pay more
  • train new people in-house
[–] 1 pt

Must have unrealistic laundry list of expensive, hard-to-get certifications. Must have 10 years of experience, including leadership.

Pay: $30k

Government jobs are even worse. They want you to have multiple degrees and experience leading design teams so you can get a GS-7 job as a Tool Room Parts Attendant.

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We used to have a company here called Nexergy. They wanted a shop manager with people under you, technician, programmer, maintenance, failure analysis, manufacturing, machine setup, ordering, etc. Basically everything but the initial engineering of product.

$13 an hour.

It wasn't uncommon to see that job come up every 3-4 months. Last time I talked to someone about it (they got bought out) I straight up told the recruiter that the pay wasn't anywhere near what they needed to pay. Recruiter agreed, said they'd told company to raise wages many times, and company refused.

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We need more turd worlders to flood in , cuz no workers ( for chump change )

[–] 1 pt

Yeah those firms will never learn. Fuck em

Fuck 'em. I hope they go bankrupt. Sick of employers treating everyone like crap.

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It's gotten a lot worse with the cost to do business going up. The more companies have to spend on supplies and stuff, the less they have to pay people. They were bad before, but now that their profit margins are smaller than they've ever been they're even worse with paying for the amount of work you're doing.