No, I was giving two examples. One example in embedded land, where the fuckup is several layers deep, where even an expert would struggle to catch it. These errors get caught by skilled pros, we don't see these too often. The other example I gave was a toilet-paper degree H1B pajeet programming in C# for example, who has absolutely no clue what the fuck he's doing. These errors are being shipped out the door on a regular basis.