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Tocharians
Were in early contact with the ancient chinese
May have spread chariots and bronzeworking technology to china.
The significance of this cannot be overstated. China is virtually the only high tech culture developing outside of the western-mediterranean/indus-valley area at that time. If they inherited their technology from the Tocharians that means all human civilisations of any note came from the fertile crescent. Incidentally the PRC does it's best to suppress research into the Tocharians as it would be a massive blow to national pride if the "Spring period" of chinese history was kicked off by round eyes rather than being a native development.
That said, the Tocharians almost certainly were not the originators of buddhism and indo-europeans did not kick off the original technological blossoming in the fertile crescent.
Ainu
Almost all of those theories have since been superceded. It was initially thought the Ainu may have been caucasians based on anthropology, but through genetic testing we now know that they are part of a marginal ethnic group that once populated many of the island regions of south east asia. They're related to the aboriginals of Taiwan for example.
Shocking, you show up with well-reasoned and courteous counter-points, and anticlutch downvotes without responding. What a faggot
I doubt that China's founding population or rulers were whites, but technology transfer is definitely possible. The ancient world was much more connected than people today believe. AFAIK, all the bronze used across Greece, Egypt and Mesopotamia, every single spear wielded in the Iliad, all came from Afghani tin. Afghanistan isn't that far from China. It's also plausible that someone brought wheat there.
That said, China made a number of technological innovations during its rise, and it only really stopped inventing after the Mongols. There's no reason to assume they couldn't develop civilization, when they've got well documented inventions under their belt like the crossbow, trebuchet, gunpowder, rockets, silk, tea, clocks, water wheels, canals, etc. North China farms wheat, but the south farms rice, which is totally different from fertile crescent crops, and the water buffalo and yak are distinct from western cattle, showing that east Asians domesticated them independently. Tech transfer goes both ways too, and much of what China invented eventually moved west, sometimes through espionage (silk, tea).
>buddhism
Totally wrong era, 2000+ years after Chinese civilization started.
I doubt that China's founding population or rulers were whites, but technology transfer is definitely possible. The ancient world was much more connected than people today believe. AFAIK, all the bronze used across Greece, Egypt and Mesopotamia, every single spear wielded in the Iliad, all came from Afghani tin. Afghanistan isn't that far from China. It's also plausible that someone brought wheat there.
Oh absolutely. Afaik afghani tin was mostly imported into the near east, the eastern mediterranean bronze market was supplied by Cornwall via Tarsessos (the land of Tarshish) and Cyprus (whose name derives from copper). I'm not sure the original chinese rulers were whites, I've never seen that claim before. Big if true, but it's pretty clear the base population (as you say) had the necessary IQ to make it on their own.
That said, China made a number of technological innovations during its rise, and it only really stopped inventing after the Mongols. There's no reason to assume they couldn't develop civilization, when they've got well documented inventions under their belt like the crossbow, trebuchet, gunpowder, rockets, silk, tea, clocks, water wheels, canals, etc. North China farms wheat, but the south farms rice, which is totally different from fertile crescent crops, and the water buffalo and yak are distinct from western cattle, showing that east Asians domesticated them independently. Tech transfer goes both ways too, and much of what China invented eventually moved west, sometimes through espionage (silk, tea).
They already had a reasonably well developed neolithic civilisation, but without bronze tools I'm not sure they could have developed quickly enough to develop any of the things you mentioned (beyond tea which almost certainly already existed). Even harvesting enough food to feed a labour force big enough to dig major canals would be extremely challenging without metal tools. I suspect they would have stagnated like the native americans until they got all but wiped out by a vastly technological superior group of invaders.
Totally wrong era, 2000+ years after Chinese civilization started.
Yes, but crucially also the wrong region. If any white group were responsible for helping buddhism get started it'd be descendents of the indo-aryans.
>If any white group were responsible for helping buddhism get started it'd be descendents of the indo-aryans.
I think that is what happened, considering the demographics and racial caste system of India. But the argument in OP is totally wrong because it conflated the bringers of Buddhism with the first organizers of Chinese society, which is a bit like calling Christians the first organizers of Roman or Greek society.
>They already had a reasonably well developed neolithic civilisation, but without bronze tools I'm not sure they could have developed quickly enough to develop any of the things you mentioned (beyond tea which almost certainly already existed).
They could have developed bronze working independently. Newton and Liebniz both figured out calculus at the same time. But even stories passed around can be enough to spark discovery. Tell someone that magicians on the other side of the world have mixed sulphur, charcoal and saltpetre and they'll figure it out quickly, even if it takes a while to get the formula right.
Btw, tea is a lot more complicated than you might expect. It took a lot of selective breeding to go from a giant bitter jungle tree to a small sweet bush that grows in northern hillsides, and preservation involved a fermentation process and compressing into bricks so that it could travel from distant plantations to the imperial court or trade partners.
>Even harvesting enough food to feed a labour force big enough to dig major canals would be extremely challenging without metal tools. I suspect they would have stagnated like the native americans until they got all but wiped out by a vastly technological superior group of invaders.
Mostly right I think. Bronze working is a necessary step to iron working, and iron agricultural tools are what led to China's large population. But it's important to not underestimate stone age potential. Tenochtitlan had one of the largest populations in the world, made possible by artificial island gardens, all built with stone tools. Also, China's threat was usually technologically inferior barbarians who were militarily superior, a problem that plagued most early civilizations. They managed with walled cities and massed levees of pikemen and crossbowmen. When horses showed up, they created a massive state breeding program to get their own cavalry quickly, a process that could have worked against opponents arriving with metal weapons.
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