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Take care on what you think is meant by civilization. It's quite obvious, but we all nose who is going to attack this.

Take care on what you think is meant by civilization. It's quite obvious, but we all nose who is going to attack this.

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AYO WE WUZ JAPANESE N SHIEEET.

Fucking weeb. ;p

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I’m also wondering why people moved from Nordic countries to China and started building with completely different types of architecture, abandoned an alphabet-based language, etc

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Tocharians

  • Were in early contact with the ancient chinese

  • May have spread chariots and bronzeworking technology to china.

The significance of this cannot be overstated. China is virtually the only high tech culture developing outside of the western-mediterranean/indus-valley area at that time. If they inherited their technology from the Tocharians that means all human civilisations of any note came from the fertile crescent. Incidentally the PRC does it's best to suppress research into the Tocharians as it would be a massive blow to national pride if the "Spring period" of chinese history was kicked off by round eyes rather than being a native development.

That said, the Tocharians almost certainly were not the originators of buddhism and indo-europeans did not kick off the original technological blossoming in the fertile crescent.

Ainu

Almost all of those theories have since been superceded. It was initially thought the Ainu may have been caucasians based on anthropology, but through genetic testing we now know that they are part of a marginal ethnic group that once populated many of the island regions of south east asia. They're related to the aboriginals of Taiwan for example.

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Shocking, you show up with well-reasoned and courteous counter-points, and anticlutch downvotes without responding. What a faggot

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I doubt that China's founding population or rulers were whites, but technology transfer is definitely possible. The ancient world was much more connected than people today believe. AFAIK, all the bronze used across Greece, Egypt and Mesopotamia, every single spear wielded in the Iliad, all came from Afghani tin. Afghanistan isn't that far from China. It's also plausible that someone brought wheat there.

That said, China made a number of technological innovations during its rise, and it only really stopped inventing after the Mongols. There's no reason to assume they couldn't develop civilization, when they've got well documented inventions under their belt like the crossbow, trebuchet, gunpowder, rockets, silk, tea, clocks, water wheels, canals, etc. North China farms wheat, but the south farms rice, which is totally different from fertile crescent crops, and the water buffalo and yak are distinct from western cattle, showing that east Asians domesticated them independently. Tech transfer goes both ways too, and much of what China invented eventually moved west, sometimes through espionage (silk, tea).

>buddhism

Totally wrong era, 2000+ years after Chinese civilization started.

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I doubt that China's founding population or rulers were whites, but technology transfer is definitely possible. The ancient world was much more connected than people today believe. AFAIK, all the bronze used across Greece, Egypt and Mesopotamia, every single spear wielded in the Iliad, all came from Afghani tin. Afghanistan isn't that far from China. It's also plausible that someone brought wheat there.

Oh absolutely. Afaik afghani tin was mostly imported into the near east, the eastern mediterranean bronze market was supplied by Cornwall via Tarsessos (the land of Tarshish) and Cyprus (whose name derives from copper). I'm not sure the original chinese rulers were whites, I've never seen that claim before. Big if true, but it's pretty clear the base population (as you say) had the necessary IQ to make it on their own.

That said, China made a number of technological innovations during its rise, and it only really stopped inventing after the Mongols. There's no reason to assume they couldn't develop civilization, when they've got well documented inventions under their belt like the crossbow, trebuchet, gunpowder, rockets, silk, tea, clocks, water wheels, canals, etc. North China farms wheat, but the south farms rice, which is totally different from fertile crescent crops, and the water buffalo and yak are distinct from western cattle, showing that east Asians domesticated them independently. Tech transfer goes both ways too, and much of what China invented eventually moved west, sometimes through espionage (silk, tea).

They already had a reasonably well developed neolithic civilisation, but without bronze tools I'm not sure they could have developed quickly enough to develop any of the things you mentioned (beyond tea which almost certainly already existed). Even harvesting enough food to feed a labour force big enough to dig major canals would be extremely challenging without metal tools. I suspect they would have stagnated like the native americans until they got all but wiped out by a vastly technological superior group of invaders.

Totally wrong era, 2000+ years after Chinese civilization started.

Yes, but crucially also the wrong region. If any white group were responsible for helping buddhism get started it'd be descendents of the indo-aryans.

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>If any white group were responsible for helping buddhism get started it'd be descendents of the indo-aryans.

I think that is what happened, considering the demographics and racial caste system of India. But the argument in OP is totally wrong because it conflated the bringers of Buddhism with the first organizers of Chinese society, which is a bit like calling Christians the first organizers of Roman or Greek society.

>They already had a reasonably well developed neolithic civilisation, but without bronze tools I'm not sure they could have developed quickly enough to develop any of the things you mentioned (beyond tea which almost certainly already existed).

They could have developed bronze working independently. Newton and Liebniz both figured out calculus at the same time. But even stories passed around can be enough to spark discovery. Tell someone that magicians on the other side of the world have mixed sulphur, charcoal and saltpetre and they'll figure it out quickly, even if it takes a while to get the formula right.

Btw, tea is a lot more complicated than you might expect. It took a lot of selective breeding to go from a giant bitter jungle tree to a small sweet bush that grows in northern hillsides, and preservation involved a fermentation process and compressing into bricks so that it could travel from distant plantations to the imperial court or trade partners.

>Even harvesting enough food to feed a labour force big enough to dig major canals would be extremely challenging without metal tools. I suspect they would have stagnated like the native americans until they got all but wiped out by a vastly technological superior group of invaders.

Mostly right I think. Bronze working is a necessary step to iron working, and iron agricultural tools are what led to China's large population. But it's important to not underestimate stone age potential. Tenochtitlan had one of the largest populations in the world, made possible by artificial island gardens, all built with stone tools. Also, China's threat was usually technologically inferior barbarians who were militarily superior, a problem that plagued most early civilizations. They managed with walled cities and massed levees of pikemen and crossbowmen. When horses showed up, they created a massive state breeding program to get their own cavalry quickly, a process that could have worked against opponents arriving with metal weapons.

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India is in there too, where do you think the caste system came from?

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Is that why Indians and Pakistanis are so hairy? That thing on the Japanese Ainu made me laugh.

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Not surprising when Aryans come from North India to the Caucasus Mountain ranges. Leading to the alternate names Indo-Iranian, Indo-European or Caucasian.

Of course this cannot be applied equally today as everyone has interbred with other subspecies for thousands of years now.

I would say there would be little to no 100% Aryan descendents in India. Surprisingly Iranians look quite Aryan. Less so as you move closer to Europe through places previously under Ottoman occupation.

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I don't believe for one second that we come from the Caucasus. Just because jews labeled us and claim that we come from the caucuses doesn't mean it is true.

I have deep doubts about the true organization of the human evolutionary tree. There are too few branches, it isn't complex enough and most certainly there is not enough time to really explain blonde haired blue eyed people evolving from sand niggers.

My suspicion is that our people were in and around northern europe for FAR FAR FAR longer coming in and out of europed during glaciation periods. It is far more likely, to my mind, that we expanded out of europe into the caucuses and beyond into central asia, northern china and maybe even into japan and retreated again.

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There were already white people in Europe before Aryans showed up. (Neolithic Farmers and Scandanavian Hunter Gatherers)

I think all this splitting of "white" races was done is the last catastrophic disaster. Aryans might have come from the Caucasus only because they landed in the Middle East by boat. Its were all those Atlantean/Hyperborea mythos comes from.

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The Kushan. Persian, European, Greco mutts brought India much of it's modern culture. Not exclusively. The existing culture merged with the Kushan culture to produce modern India.

But a lot of the Brahman caste, especially from the North West have squarer faces today showing that in some areas the Brahman caste are ethnically distinct and partially European.

Look how Persian this Indian actor looks: https://cdn.nextgov.com/media/img/upload/2017/11/02/110217kumailnanjianiNG/860x394.jpg That is a north west brahman.

This predates Islam, and they were culturally Hellenistic.

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Oh sure, use the Aryan definition of civilization, as if that's the only civilized way to live. /s

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Ainu are more proto-mongoloid/caucasoid peoples who migrated first, before the children of the Han came over through the korean peninsula and conquered them, probably, through rice farming- simply out breeding them. Although there was a fair bit of inbreeding which may explain why Japs tend to be more attractive than their Kor and Chi cousins.

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Canaanites and Sumerians were not Aryan and invented everything from which civilized life grows: seafaring, the calendar, agriculture,literacy, architecture. Probably some more. Aryans had what, a chariot axle? Horses. They both had metal but the canaanites actually mined it

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...we all nose who is going to attack this.

Nice (((history))) moshe. Go away.

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Aryans were landlocked is the easiest part to point out...when protogermanic people were migrating into Europe farming burned forests the canaanites were sailing to Britain and installing specialist copper miners throughout the balkans.

Really though there's no line because obvioisly anyone good at anything in any era took women from other accomplished men in mutually beneficial dynamics that mingled families and diffused knowledge.

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Europeans landlocked in the middle of fucking Europe landlocked EUROPE landlocked

The nose shows.

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Canaanite contributions to technological progress in the levant are scanty, mostly it was the Sumerians and Egyptians. Cry harder semites.

And are you really going to try to play down the significance of wheeled vehicles?

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Well there were almost no roads so i do think it's a bit overblown. They are only really significant to move forces quickly over expanses of land, which is a pointless endeavor in the absence of civilizations already established, worth trading and raiding.

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You don't need roads for wheels to be useful, and wagons were developed before chariots were, they were already useful long before anyone thought of using them for warfare. Up until the development of the wheel, pretty much the only way goods could be moved inland was pack animals or on people's backs. Wheeled vehicles vastly increase the carrying capacity of a caravan making long distance trade possible in areas it could not have occurred before.

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Many of you would likely deny the reality of this situation.

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Like in Central America?

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I heard this before. And whites mated with ‘beast’. Thus giving other races. Niggers spics. Asian etc. I believe Hitler was trying to tell people this Stuff. There is Chinese ancient ledgends of blue eyed mofos. Blessing of god goes through white Syrian bloodlines. From Noah on. Jews are the tribe with no blessing because disgusting and jealous. And nuggets were just beast.
So in a way. Whites vs Jews are and have always been at war. Mostly Jews just trying to destroy the whites. And eventually whites deporting the unblessed filth of the Jews. Once they remember.

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Fuck, so that's what white genocide looks like? Despite being awesome we get swallowed up by foreign blood and become the legends of old? Don't we ever flip our conquer switches and fuck some shit up, and breed like rabbits for a few generations?

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Mummifying a body causes the hair to bleach.

Egyptians didn't have blond hair either

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causes the hair to bleach

False.

Egyptions didn't have blond hair

The royalty did. The royalty were without exception White.

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Thank you for adding nothing in your rebuttal

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The mummies have been studied and found to have red hair follicles at the roots and European genetics. They're white.

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"The study found that ancient Egyptians were most closely related to ancient populations in the Levant (modern day Syria, Jordan, Israel and Lebanon), and were also closely related to Neolithic populations from the Anatolian Peninsula and Europe."