As the saying goes, you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.
As the saying goes, you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.
I think we have to engage in a different and better way. Scott Adams points out that facts are terrible at persuasion.
I think one thing i will try (I've also tried everything, it feels like) is to have the person tell me what they know that goes into their belief. The things you are doing are next to impossible because they have to understand 50 layers to get to that even being a possibility. If you did something like fentanyl Floyd, the gender wage gap, 13/52, or m2f trans it is very cut and dry; they don't anything about it, and yet have such a strong opinion that they have the hubris to dismiss you.
That's right, facts are terrible, so use facts. But i think it is possible to at least get somewhere if you can get them to admit they are low information.
I think we have to engage in a different and better way. Scott Adams points out that facts are terrible at persuasion.
I think one thing i will try (I've also tried everything, it feels like) is to have the person tell me what they know that goes into their belief. The things you are doing are next to impossible because they have to understand 50 layers to get to that even being a possibility. If you did something like fentanyl Floyd, the gender wage gap, 13/52, or m2f trans it is very cut and dry; they don't anything about it, and yet have such a strong opinion that they have the hubris to dismiss you.
That's right, facts are terrible, so use facts. But i think it is possible to at least get somewhere if you can get them to admit they are low information.
I’ve read about that, actually. It’s like peeling layers on an onion, you’ve got to get to the core of why they think the way they do.
Instead of blatantly telling someone something, you get a feel for where they are, then begin asking how they arrived at that belief/opinion/understanding.
That technique is just as important, if not moreso, than appealing to their emotions.
Edit: I forget if I’m confusing this for another persuasion method, but the gist is you want them to think they came to their conclusion all by themselves, and then you positively reinforce it by complimenting how brilliant they are for figuring it out. “Yes, anon, good job. Floyd was, in fact, a degenerate dopefiend.”
I’ve read about that, actually. It’s like peeling layers on an onion, you’ve got to get to the core of why they think the way they do.
Instead of blatantly telling someone something, you get a feel for where they are, then begin asking how they arrived at that belief/opinion/understanding.
That technique is just as important, if not moreso, than appealing to their emotions.
Edit: I forget if I’m confusing this for another persuasion method, but the gist is you want them to think they came to their conclusion all by themselves, and then you positively reinforce it by complimenting how brilliant they are for figuring it out. “Yes, anon, good job. Floyd was, in fact, a degenerate dopefiend.”
Just make sure you're there when they fail. Nothing helps someone get over it like someone saying "I told you so"
Just make sure you're there when they fail. Nothing helps someone get over it like someone saying "I told you so"
I basically think you can convince people. There are people that are really good at it, mostly egomaniacs who lie with ease. But regular people can convince people too. It just takes multiple repetitions and not being too confrontational. Ive been able to change peoples minds by doing this. They will often argue with you initially. But after a few repetitions you can turn someone.
Jews are really good at this. They never assume someone has made up their mind about something they will never stop manipulating someone until they can sway them.
Dont stop caring about white people. Be the counter propaganda to MSM lies. Its basically a never ending job because we are dealing with a group of people that enjoys brainwashing the public.
Dont just focus on yourself. Spread the word. If you know you have insight never stop telling the truth.
I basically think you can convince people. There are people that are really good at it, mostly egomaniacs who lie with ease. But regular people can convince people too. It just takes multiple repetitions and not being too confrontational. Ive been able to change peoples minds by doing this. They will often argue with you initially. But after a few repetitions you can turn someone.
Jews are really good at this. They never assume someone has made up their mind about something they will never stop manipulating someone until they can sway them.
Dont stop caring about white people. Be the counter propaganda to MSM lies. Its basically a never ending job because we are dealing with a group of people that *enjoys* brainwashing the public.
Dont just focus on yourself. Spread the word. If you know you have insight never stop telling the truth.
Just shine the light
Eventually the moth with get there
Just shine the light
Eventually the moth with get there
When My Body My choice applies to abortion right for women and not for people who don't trust vaccines. Legally applying to become a American, and trespassing into another country is not the same thing. Voter ID is not racist, and if you fuck it up it's your own fault. Education is fair to people who really try, and shouldn't be dumbed down. Hiring based on diversity and not ones own merits don't work. Cancel culture gets a free pass, and boycotting don't. Waiting for someone else to stand up for your rights, and not assembling like-minded people to figure out the right thing to do
When My Body My choice applies to abortion right for women and not for people who don't trust vaccines. Legally applying to become a American, and trespassing into another country is not the same thing. Voter ID is not racist, and if you fuck it up it's your own fault. Education is fair to people who really try, and shouldn't be dumbed down. Hiring based on diversity and not ones own merits don't work. Cancel culture gets a free pass, and boycotting don't. Waiting for someone else to stand up for your rights, and not assembling like-minded people to figure out the right thing to do
Many (if not most) people are too far gone. TV is tantamount to God---it provides them with the vapid entertainment they need to be happy, and they get their daily "truths" from it. If you tell these people you question what TV says, you've already lost them with your blasphemous claim.
However, if you word things carefully, about 1 out of 10 will examine it. With proper guidance, this person may eventually come around and become an asset to the truth.
Many (if not most) people are too far gone. TV is tantamount to God---it provides them with the vapid entertainment they need to be happy, and they get their daily "truths" from it. If you tell these people you question what TV says, you've already lost them with your blasphemous claim.
However, if you word things carefully, about 1 out of 10 will examine it. With proper guidance, this person may eventually come around and become an asset to the truth.
So, I suppose it’s better to stop caring about others and just focus on yourself.
That would be the easy thing. This is always the way out commies support. 'De foo' your family. divorce your partner, quit your hard job, escape into addictive diversions, etc. Commitment in this day in age is approaching ZERO. Loyalty ZERO. Make it be known in your words and your actions that you reject the naval-gazing selfishnesss your environment demands. Be strong, because when shit hits the fan, you'll be the one your family turns to for guidance.
> So, I suppose it’s better to stop caring about others and just focus on yourself.
That would be the easy thing. This is always the way out commies support. 'De foo' your family. divorce your partner, quit your hard job, escape into addictive diversions, etc. Commitment in this day in age is approaching ZERO. Loyalty ZERO. Make it be known in your words and your actions that you reject the naval-gazing selfishnesss your environment demands. Be strong, because when shit hits the fan, you'll be the one your family turns to for guidance.
You can help people who will listen. You must use discernment to see if anyone is ready to break out of willful ignorance. If they are not you are wasting your time and interfering with their God given freedom to take themselves to hell. I mean that literally.
What cannot be learned by observation and deduction will be learnt by direct experience. If direct experience does not teach then fate will tighten the thumbscrews. The reality is that God has placed us into a spiritual evolution on this planet. Learn we will, but the blind and the stubborn will pay a heavy cost.
You can help people who will listen. You must use discernment to see if anyone is ready to break out of willful ignorance. If they are not you are wasting your time and interfering with their God given freedom to take themselves to hell. I mean that literally.
What cannot be learned by observation and deduction will be learnt by direct experience. If direct experience does not teach then fate will tighten the thumbscrews. The reality is that God has placed us into a spiritual evolution on this planet. Learn we will, but the blind and the stubborn will pay a heavy cost.
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