You're too far ahead in time in your arguments. Religion started way before that. Way before any understanding you have of history. It precedes fire.
And you are arguing points that we have agreed upon. Religion was and is a powerful tool to get a group of people to live by a certain moral structure for reasons beyond the current ruling classes consequences.
But you don't need any of that to have your own moral code and to live by it.
And as far as the personal questions you're about as far away from hitting the mark on what I believe in as possible. Laws should only be followed if you believe they are good laws. I cuss like a fucking sailor because who the fuck says words are bad thats stupid baby ideology. And my sister is fat.
Religion started way before that. Way before any understanding you have of history. It precedes fire.
No argument from me.
But you don't need any of that to have your own moral code and to live by it.
Where does your moral code come from. Ill tell you. From your ancestors followinng christianity for 2000 years. And some religions before that. Christianity shaped you because people who didnt follow christianity’s rules dont have descendents around today. Because they were burned at the stake. Your morals were determined by enforcement of christianity.
So please stop talking like your morals are universal morals that everyone will arrive at if they just decide to “be good” or whatever.
The religious regime that you live under is shaping future generations likewise. Maybe to be onlyfans. Religion is a tool of evolution which selects for certain traits just like being a farmer or a herder or living in a hot or cold climate will select for traits.
Do you realize you must establish a religious regime for a society to live under if you are to manage that society? It doesnt have to be a theist one. You cant just say: everyone live by your own moral code.
“You might get arrested” is not a particularly powerful incentive for some people to control their behavior. “You will burn for eternity” is definity a powerful incentive if you can get someone to believe it. Why do you assume the actual rewards and consequences of a behavior will be reason enough to follow the rules? Often there are no real world consequences for bad behaviors. But if “God is watching” you may feel you cant elude justice.
Christianity is dying. Why do you think none of this moral chaos is related to that event?
What? I dont think anyone should or shouldn't follow my morals. You don't know my morals. I follow my morals. You follow your morals. If they conflict we have an issue. If they don't great. As long as your morals don't harm my person or property idgaf what you do.
And why do you need someone real or imagined to tell you what the fuck to do?
I would have thought the reason was obvious. But perhaps if you are operating under a (((secular))) paradigm it isnt’
Societies are a collection of individuals that agree to work cooperatively for a shared collective benefit. That means shared benefits and risks. So the consequences of my negative behaviors are not only limited to me. They are distributed across the group.
If a lot of people in the society decide to stay home and get drunk instead of working the society will fail. If you horsewhip people who stay home and get drunk, everybody is collectively better off except for that one drunkard.
No man is going to go off and fight a war to defend the society if some guy that stays behind to plow the fields instead plows his wife.
So rules are made. God will burn you in a firey pit if you fuck that guy’s wife. It works and white people are the result. If you dont horsewhip people for breaking the rules you end up with basically , black people. Low standards of behavior, low need for cooperation.
It seems monogamy is a success strategy mostly for cold climates. Alot of the “civilized” behaviors we associate with white people are a result of monogamy. But it has to be enforced.
It is just utterly naive to think regulation of sexual behavior or religious behavior or work or speech or child rearing or drug use or violence is not the business of the entire society. Because the entire society is affected by those things.
Europeans so tightly regulated themselves for so long that after the enlightenment we believed that everyone could be “free” to choose their own morals, but that was mostly within a devout christian society where everyone got a moral lecture on Sunday about the rules.
And whites have been bred for a particular set of rules for so long that when you throw away the rule book completely whites dont go too far astray for a little while. Blacks have never had impulsive violence and sexual behavior bred out of them so they go hog wild of course. But even whites will begin to devolve in to less cooperative behavior patterns eventually because of spontaneous genetic mutation. And I suppose a lack of advantage to following a code of ethics that no one else is following.
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