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TL;DR: I found a way to insert myself into this drama. I am pleased.

I like these fish bait memes and the concept of this sub. How about we talk this one out, @Ivan and @RepublicOfTX? I want to admit that I have also taken the bait of two certain users that like to indulge in conspiracy theories about Poal's administration. I'm probably motivated a bit by jealousy because I'm not at the center because /s/MSM4Poal has an Admin Watch series that I feel these guys are competing with.

Going on to a lesser the main point, I don't think there is any reason to fight. You're both good users. Will you please talk it out?

TL;DR: I found a way to insert myself into this drama. I am pleased. I like these fish bait memes and the concept of this sub. How about we talk this one out, @Ivan and @RepublicOfTX? I want to admit that I have also taken the bait of two certain users that like to indulge in conspiracy theories about Poal's administration. I'm probably motivated a bit by jealousy ~~because I'm not at the center~~ because /s/MSM4Poal has an Admin Watch series that I feel these guys are competing with. Going on to ~~a lesser~~ the main point, I don't think there is any reason to fight. You're both good users. Will you please talk it out?

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That is a tough question. I usually refer to myself as a heathen in order to avoid it, since pagan implies active belief or worship of any number of deities. Instead of all that, I view native European deities as archetypes -- providing a mirror to both our history and psychology.

While I don't literally believe in those gods and their myths, I don't have a problem with that sort of thing. Nor does belief in and worship of YHWH bother me, as this plays an important role in my ancestry and culture as well. But since I do not accept Christianity wholesale, and have an interest in pre-Christian myths and traditions, I am a heathen.

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I view native European deities as archetypes -- providing a mirror to both our history and psychology

I used to take a similar stance, until I started working with the occult. I now take the stance that they do truly exist as spiritual beings.

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So, it's a bit like cultural paganism? I'm not sure that captures it though. I almost want to say Europeanism.

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Perhaps. My kind of belief has its critics, since the insistence on the importance of native gods has racial implications -- collective unconscious, we're not all the same underneath the skin, all that. I guess critics say this kind of belief is essentially atheism since it elevates the race to the realm of divine, reducing the continuation of the immortal soul to ancestry and progeny. But I think it's just a realistic way of looking at things. For me it doesn't seem any less spiritually important. Maybe there's a crossover between this worldview and human biodiversity topics.

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there's a crossover between this worldview and human biodiversity topics.

I would certainly think so. I once heard a religion described as an expression of a people. The values, personality and underlying psychology are wrapped up in how a culture conceives of a divinity, spirits, or whatever else. This understanding came from someone with a secular perspective, but it can also line up with what you're saying. It's also a much better conception of spirit race stuff, then I have heard before.