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Being Messianic Jewish I haven't studied the Talmud. We regard the Talmud as having no legitimacy.
In my opinion, the Talmud is nothing more than sophistry of the worst kind. It's an obvious attempt to make what is morally repugnant, harmful and deceitful somehow good. It's an attempt to negate the Torah and Tanakh which are the written words of Moses and all the prophets that came after him.
The Messiah said it himself: They are of the devil who is the father of lies so therefore they do the work of the devil. They claim to be Jews but they are the synagogue of Satan. Pure evil.
If there are schools of judaism where the talmud is not approved, why isn't it the case, that these things could be discussed? If jews allowed "anti-semitism" (a.k.a. speech) to the extent that the jewish question could be discussed (like, "are you going to practice that part of your religion where you enslave us all regarding us as non-human?"), it perhaps could be solved through discussion. The problem is, that jews don't allow the discussion of the jewish question, leading to a situation comparable to jews creating their own worst enemy.
I mean, sometimes I think that if all jews were practicing their religion instead of expressing their jewishness through bolshevism and other hazardous channels, they could be alright. But things like the talmud make this complicated.
I think the bigger issue here is that we allow the jews to tell us what we are and are not allowed to discuss.
Obviously. But my point is that they are un-co-operative. Like, imagine you went to an individual jew and attempted to start discussing this stuff, how would that situation end up?
Messianic Jews are Jews who accept Christ as messiah. They are not Jews, if what they claim is true. They are confused. Perhaps it's just a way to emphasize what they consider the import of their ethnic Jewish component, but again, if they have faith in the Christ, then this is still anathema to their own claims.
There are no practicing Jews who do disregard the Talmud. Rabbinic Judaism is Judaism. The mistaken idea many people in the West have, if they even know about the Talmud, is that Israeli Jews simply study Torah.
I see. Thank you for clearing that up.
The Jews you are talking about are not religious Jews per se. It's like Rabbinic Judaism is a sort of factory indoctrinating the more aware Jews into a way to twist logic and turn thoughts inside out to twist lies into truth and truth into lies. They come out of these forms of education and do great harm in the world. In a way, the style of thinking is quite similar to liberal logic.
While intra and inter-group factions and groupings do have a bearing, the overriding factor is ethnicity and race.
Meaning that when it comes down to the line, anyone not brainfucked will defer to their inherent groups (read: Religion is not as important as ethnicity).
Kinda shocked you haven't been downvoted to oblivion here...
Why's that? I find this educational.
And that's who we now dealing with. Look around you can see it.
Messianic Jewi “Regard the Talmud as having no legitimacy“, do you think that it could be described as Fan Fiction?
No way dude. The Talmud is just evil. I refuse to be drawn into their style of thinking. It's pure sophistry.
In comparison, the Book of Mormon is tame. It's more like fan fiction. I actually kind of enjoyed reading it in spite of it's early American style of writing and efforts to use King James Version of English. Pretending it's not pure fiction is laughable.
The Talmud on the other hand is full of twisted logic by degenerate rabbis trying to abrogate scripture with sophistry. Just reading it makes your mind feel dirty.
It's more like fan fiction.
LDS is fan fiction written by a handicapped class. It has a Sasquatch, wars with giant space elves, magic undies that stop you from drowning, everyone gets their own planet when they die like an episode of Red Dwarf, pure ridiculousness.
Anyone who is Mormon is without a doubt mentally impaired.
Jews are worse, they are morally bankrupt.
Being Messianic Jewish
lolwut? Are you "Jews for Jesus"-ing us here?
You're exposing your ignorance.
Am I? Or am I exposing an oxymoronic fraud?
There can be no such thing as a Jew for Jesus.
That sounds a lot like "that wasn't real communism!", and "ISIS/Taliban etc isn't real Islam!" Or (insert any branch of Christianity here) "aren't true Christians!".
It feels like trying to distance yourself from fellow whatevers who make you look bad.
That sounds exactly like the fallacious argument of False equivalence (en.wikipedia.org) so maybe you should read up on it.
The argument for communism/Marxism not being done right or not real communism/Marxism is just a new version of "No True Scotsman" and is a fallacious argument because it ignores the core values of each variety of the variants and focuses on trivial differences.
The argument of not real Islam ignores the fact that all variants of Islam have the same core values and use the same Koran and related writings as a basis for their ideology with minor differences.
The argument "not real Christianity" is actually not so much a fallacious argument as the two aforementioned examples because in point of fact, the religion of Catholicism diverges strongly from scripture and much like Judaism diverges widely from biblical teachings. The other major Christian religions have returned partially to biblical teachings but still follow somewhat more loosely the ideology of Catholicism since these branches of Christianity arose out of the Catholic Church.
However, because of your ignorance on the topic you've chosen to apply the false equivalence argument to the Messianic Jewish faith.
Orthodox Judaism derives it's ideology from the Talmud. We all know this, they admit it and embrace the Talmud writings. We agree on this alone.
Messianic Judaism completely rejects the Talmud as deceitful twisted thinking and a rationalization of depravity and upside down logic that calls good evil and evil good.
Messianic Judaism and Modern main stream Judaism are as far apart as Karl Marx and George Washington, as far apart as the Constitution and Communist Manifesto.
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