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[–] 1 pt 5y

if you put someone in charge of a flock, they will eat sheep, especially if you have an open call for shepards -- why would anyone manage a flock if not to eat sheep.

those with a will to power seek to exercise that power.

the problem is not how we choose leaders, its seeking a leader. facism, communism, newhububism isnt going to produce free men if it calls for leaders of men.

[–] [deleted] 0 pt 5y

if you put someone in charge of a flock, they will eat sheep, especially if you have an open call for shepards -- why would anyone manage a flock if not to eat sheep.

Indeed. You just made a great case against democracy. The problems of this world are that the non-psychopaths just move out of the way for the psychopaths and here we are.

the problem is not how we choose leaders, its seeking a leader.

If everyone is leading themselves then it's really the ultimate divide and conquer. With what you're presenting here it doesn't sound like there's ever going to be a solution and we might as well just give in to the technocracy making its way forward.

facism, communism, newhububism isnt going to produce free men if it calls for leaders of men.

Someone's got to take the helm of the various stations. You seem to think that I'm advocating for everyone to turn their brains off and hand over the reigns to some despot. This is not what I'm saying at all and I used the term shepherd and "at the helm" but of course there seems to be something to pick at for any word used.

What system would you advocate for, exactly?

[–] [deleted] 1 pt 5y

Freedom an only exist if every person is in 100% control of his life and property. Some propose 'Voluntarism' as a guiding principle. Galambos best expressed how to build a voluntary, property based civilization. https://i.etsystatic.com/15011899/r/il/51166e/1478646618/il_794xN.1478646618_4whr.jpg

[–] [deleted] 0 pt 5y

Well, for sure this idea has merit. Ownership yields stewardship and empowerment where collectivism has caused people to neglect in ways (see Tragedy of the Commons for an example). There would have to be a sense of fairness here though, as we're very quickly ending up in a society where some non-person entity (run by secret individuals) is seeking to have ownership of everyone by grooming us to reject all ownership. Now the ownership of some is getting in the way of the ownership of others.

Then, since we're at it there is the issue when the junk from one property spills over to anothers property and how to handle that. Further, when a group bands together and all dumps their junk upon a single mans property and how to handle that. Not to pick at it too much of course, because I definitely agree with a persons ability to seek life, liberty and prosperity (as in property), but how does one ensure this carries from generation to generation. This is what I meant about the leadership or stewardship comments above.

[–] 0 pt 5y

im not advocating for a world system, you are.

but in terms of improving our condition, i suggest individuals forget being governed, ally with your neighbours, treat others the way they want to be treated, always be ready for war, and legalize dueling.

[–] [deleted] 0 pt 5y

im not advocating for a world system, you are.

Not at all. I would advocate for tribal stewardship, though.

in terms of improving our condition, i suggest individuals forget being governed, ally with your neighbours, treat others the way they want to be treated,

I agree with what you say here, but it's not complete enough to work long term. Some people like to be treated differently and others are secretive psychopaths and band together for secret new world orders and shit while good people who advocate for these things aren't even aware it's going on.

Here is an example of good leadership to really relay the point. Parents outsource the education of their children to schools. Now, the teachers are little more than Marxist plants. How does one ensure who the good teachers are? At the point we're at now, clearly homeschooling is the answer. But most don't see it and think the teachers (i.e. "shepherds") are keeping their kids best interest at heart but in reality they are turning the kids into communist, snowflake faggots.

A different version of what question I was asking was 'how does one ensure they keep the teachers on track'?

You see, the problem with having everyone manage themselves is that there'll always be a collective group that will form (in secret or not) which will overtake the individuals and "herd" them toward some kind of standardized idea. This is what I'm subtly trying to discuss. Hopefully you don't see fascism as a "world system" because I don't. I see proper fascism as something more like tribal leadership. That said, if the chief is a faggot then the tribe members should have the ability to "fire" them (as in out of a cannon).

always be ready for war, and legalize dueling.

Vigilance is definitely a worthy trait to keep going but note that in a dueling society the one's who have the night vision goggles and remote guided sniper bullets are going to fucking kill you and take all your shit.

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