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Anarchy, I'm curious how you would define God. This is actually the kind of thing that I'd like to see people make posts about. If you think you have a good conversation starter, ping someone in the post title and state the topic. Like, "How do you define God? @BurnInHelena". Or, whoever. Alternatively, to make it a little less aggressive :), you could just link to the comment you're branching off of (from another post) in the description of your post.

Defining God is a big topic, and would make an excellent subject for its own post.

Also, what is your interpretation of the all-seeing eye? If I'm honest, I've not done a lot of exploration into that particular symbol, beside its association with the Masons. FWIW, I have just gotten into Egyptian religion and history relatively recently. I just picked up a huge tome on Egypt by Massey. I do believe that a good deal of Christian answers to the mysteries, while perhaps not being solved, can have light shed on them by Egypt.

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That's a very interesting analysis of the pyramid and the all-seeing eye.

I tend to agree with you completely that the bottom two vertices are representative of the dialectic, conceptually.

Where I'd likely deviate from your model is at the point of distinguishing between 'value' and 'truth' as the so-called poles of the dialectic. I tend to think that the hyper-reality you discuss in (2) is inseparable from the externalization of value-pursuit onto the object (money). To me, these are the pyramid and represent the least necessary conditions for establishing the control structure itself.

I take the dialectic to consist in all possible moral distinctions across which humans could be made to antagonize each other. The political Left and Right construct is a good example. It's a matter of creating categories from the condensation of certain moral attachments and pitting these against their antithesis.

Once the conflict becomes a reality in the mind of the enslaved individual, the reality of the construct is confirmed. A person is led to the real belief that they are 'free' inside of the hyper-reality so long as they believe that they 'own' a particular identity, per their categorized moral attachments. That fight will now take place within the established hierarchy per the rules and categories given by the dialectic. The false-value, say, of money becomes the proxy for truth/success that leads people into, or embeds them more deeply in, the control structure.

I consider the eye to be the mind, or god, which emerges from out of this process - something like a collective spirit presiding over the hyper reality and which represents not only the source of its power, but the sum total of ideals that either 'side' is actually pursuing, despite having their own individual and particular notions about their gods or ideology. Put another way, the god which is the eye is the concealed set of ideals (the concealed god) that both the Left and the Right are pursuing when they are caught in this structure.

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That's a very interesting analysis of the pyramid and the all-seeing eye. I tend to agree with you completely that the bottom two vertices are representative of the dialectic, *conceptually*. Where I'd likely deviate from your model is at the point of distinguishing between 'value' and 'truth' as the so-called poles of the dialectic. I tend to think that the hyper-reality you discuss in (2) is inseparable from the externalization of value-pursuit onto the object (money). To me, these *are* the pyramid and represent the least necessary conditions for establishing the control structure itself. I take the dialectic to consist in all possible moral distinctions across which humans could be made to antagonize each other. The political Left and Right construct is a good example. It's a matter of creating categories from the condensation of certain moral attachments and pitting these against their antithesis. Once the conflict becomes a reality in the mind of the enslaved individual, the reality of the construct is confirmed. A person is led to the real belief that they are 'free' inside of the hyper-reality so long as they believe that they 'own' a particular identity, per their categorized moral attachments. That fight will now take place within the established hierarchy per the rules and categories given by the dialectic. The false-value, say, of money becomes the proxy for truth/success that leads people into, or embeds them more deeply in, the control structure. I consider the eye to be the mind, or god, which emerges from out of this process - something like a collective spirit presiding over the hyper reality and which represents not only the source of its power, but the sum total of ideals that either 'side' is *actually* pursuing, despite having their own individual and particular notions about their gods or ideology. Put another way, the god which is the eye is the concealed set of ideals (the concealed god) that both the Left and the Right are pursuing when they are caught in this structure. @PS @KingOfWhiteAmerica

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No one has mentioned Horus yet? I know @Chiro alluded to this by referencing Egypt, but I thought that's what @AnarchyMage was getting at when he pointed out that it wasn't always a Masonic symbol.

Also, @AnarchyMage used Gnostic in its derogatory sense, referencing the heresy; but there is a true sense of Gnosis - but it is not man knowing, but God knowing - man knowing as united with God.

@Chiro pinged @KingOfWhiteAmerica because he used "hyper reality" in a sentence ;)

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