New Sub: s/LogosRising...a place to talk about God.

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New Sub: s/LogosRising...a place to talk about God. (poal.co)

It's not just theology. It's not high society or high academe. It's a place to talk, question, argue, wax poetically, or angrily, about God.

There doesn't seem to be a very general place to do this on Poal. Of course, there's s/Theology, but I don't want this place to be limited to only theology.

I'm interested in the intersection between our Western culture, the Christian faith, and the attack on it. I want people to get engaged with the spiritual significance of this, and find that this is a place to question God, or proclaim your faith, or talk about how faith and virtue are improving your life, or cry out in desperation because your life feels like it's Hell.

What it isn't is just another place to post about Jews or politics. If you want to bring up the JQ or current political events, you need to find a way to make it relevant to God and the spiritual battle.

If you aren't a Christian and you want to have discussions about how your beliefs relate to Christianity? By all means, bring it into the fray.

If you are an atheist or agnostic and you have legitimate questions, doubts, concerns...put them on the table. All that we ask is you don't be an ass. Arguments are fun if you agree on the terms and respect them.

If you've got things going on in your life, and you wonder if a Christian perspective might be interesting, ask it. If you want to talk about the end of the world, go for it. Just remember what we're there for.

It's not just theology. It's not high society or high academe. It's a place to talk, question, argue, wax poetically, or angrily, about God. There doesn't seem to be a very general place to do this on Poal. Of course, there's s/Theology, but I don't want this place to be limited to only theology. I'm interested in the intersection between our Western culture, the Christian faith, and the attack on it. I want people to get engaged with the spiritual significance of this, and find that this is a place to question God, or proclaim your faith, or talk about how faith and virtue are improving your life, or cry out in desperation because your life feels like it's Hell. What it isn't is just another place to post about Jews or politics. If you want to bring up the JQ or current political events, you need to find a way to make it relevant to God and the spiritual battle. If you aren't a Christian and you want to have discussions about how your beliefs relate to Christianity? By all means, bring it into the fray. If you are an atheist or agnostic and you have legitimate questions, doubts, concerns...put them on the table. All that we ask is you don't be an ass. Arguments are fun if you agree on the terms and respect them. If you've got things going on in your life, and you wonder if a Christian perspective might be interesting, ask it. If you want to talk about the end of the world, go for it. Just remember what we're there for.

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Just know that I am in fact a hard core atheist, Im not particularly anti-christian or anti-religion. But if I am to have an intellectually honest conversation here Im going to be saying that god doesn’t exist, and that I see no evidence to think that he does. Im not going to call people stupid over it. But its not worth my wild if I have to constantly censor myself on that score. Im not an evangelizing atheist. But I like to be honest about what I think.

I will try to surpress the urge to discuss the burning JQ

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Anarchy, I'm curious how you would define God. This is actually the kind of thing that I'd like to see people make posts about. If you think you have a good conversation starter, ping someone in the post title and state the topic. Like, "How do you define God? @BurnInHelena". Or, whoever. Alternatively, to make it a little less aggressive :), you could just link to the comment you're branching off of (from another post) in the description of your post.

Defining God is a big topic, and would make an excellent subject for its own post.

Also, what is your interpretation of the all-seeing eye? If I'm honest, I've not done a lot of exploration into that particular symbol, beside its association with the Masons. FWIW, I have just gotten into Egyptian religion and history relatively recently. I just picked up a huge tome on Egypt by Massey. I do believe that a good deal of Christian answers to the mysteries, while perhaps not being solved, can have light shed on them by Egypt.

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I don’t believe god exists. Im convinced. I don’t believe in anything supernatural. Is there a superior intelligence that exists in the universe? Maybe but we would have no way of detecting it if there were.

What do I think about some wacky masonic symbol? I don’t care about it. I dont really like masons though.

Im not watchig a 26 minute video.

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Good.

I want that there. Please don't censor yourself at all. I already know you're smart and that your contributions would be thoughtful and worth it to hear.

I don't mind some arguing at all, as long as people approach it with good faith and good humor.

The JQ is also on the table - I'd just rather it stay focused on the way that it is subverting the spiritual structure of the West. As an atheist, maybe you sense it as a subversion of more secular moral structures and history...that's fine too. What I wanted to avoid was a bunch of frivolous memes. That's for /whatever.

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I barely see a difference between religious and secular moral structures. People are basically naturally religious and its impossible to stop them from behaving in religious ways. I still say Jesus Christ all the time. God damn jew! Just kidding. But not the part about saying JC. I do.

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If I am honest, I still say it too, per force of habit. I am trying to ditch it.

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Beartaria - A hill to grow on

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I took the title from E. Michael Jones. There's no affiliation with Owen or the bears.

It's tough coming up with a clever title for a sub about God, in the most general sense. If you go with 'theology' or 'religion', you kind of pin yourself down. I want this to be a catch-all for a lot of things.

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God is perfect Being; as in, being qua being. Most traditions, especially early Christianity and mystical Judaism, see God in its most primitive form as something which is ineffable. St. Dionysius introduced the methodology called negative theology which was predicated on the notion that one could not describe God in human language as effectively as he could 'peel back the layers', as it were, of what God is not. I have been working on a longer argument that attempts to say that God is The Good itself, and which relies on the concept of symmetry, where God just is perfect symmetry and perfect information. Whether I ever get anywhere with it is another question.

Logos is revealing, or making clear, as in revealing that which is concealed. I've talked recently about the fact that I believe it underlies the act of "referring" itself, as in the intelligence which can refer to things and represent these with structures having logical syntax. Humans do this with words and concepts.

Logos in the divine sense in which it is attached to God would be the very act of 'revealing' that which is concealed in God. I tend to see God, according to the definition above, as something which is eternally involved in a state of self-reference, and it is where this reference is broken and refers 'out' that results in existence.

John calls Logos The Word by way of analogy. This outward referral by God is best represented by analogy to what humans do when they speak, and categorize, and make descriptions of things.

The imagery we find in John's gospel where it's said that in the beginning God is with The Word and hovering over the waters satisfies what I've said in the symbolic sense, where God's broken self-reference is what transmits the ordering act to the chaos of the water (the sea always represents chaos and potential).

I won't pretend like I have these mysteries 'figured out'. Not even close, but I like to think about them.

Have a good night, brother.

Well, there it is. You don't pull any punches eh? I've got to hit the hay in about 10 minutes, and given that these are incredibly complex questions, they require sophisticated answers that I'm not going to provide to you now. God is perfect Being; as in, being qua being. Most traditions, especially early Christianity and mystical Judaism, see God in its most primitive form as something which is ineffable. St. Dionysius introduced the methodology called *negative theology* which was predicated on the notion that one could not describe God in human language as effectively as he could 'peel back the layers', as it were, of what God *is not*. I have been working on a longer argument that attempts to say that God is The Good itself, and which relies on the concept of symmetry, where God just is perfect symmetry and perfect information. Whether I ever get anywhere with it is another question. Logos is revealing, or making clear, as in revealing that which is concealed. I've talked recently about the fact that I believe it underlies the act of "referring" itself, as in the intelligence which can refer to things and represent these with structures having logical syntax. Humans do this with words and concepts. Logos in the divine sense in which it is attached to God would be the very act of 'revealing' that which is concealed in God. I tend to see God, according to the definition above, as something which is eternally involved in a state of self-reference, and it is where this reference is broken and refers 'out' that results in existence. John calls Logos The Word by way of analogy. This outward referral by God is best represented by analogy to what humans do when they speak, and categorize, and make descriptions of things. The imagery we find in John's gospel where it's said that in the beginning God is with The Word and hovering over the waters satisfies what I've said in the symbolic sense, where God's broken self-reference is what transmits the ordering act to the chaos of the water (the sea always represents chaos and potential). I won't pretend like I have these mysteries 'figured out'. Not even close, but I like to think about them. Have a good night, brother.

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Great name for a great sub about the best topic ever. Thanks for the invite !

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@KingOfWhiteAmerica @BurnInHelena

@ARM, don't get banned

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