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There's a court precedent that pardons can be revoked if they were not delivered by the Department of Justice or not received by the pardoned.

Because of this formal glitch, maybe Trump could also revoke some pardons of Obama and Bill Clinton!

There's a court precedent that pardons can be revoked if they were not delivered by the Department of Justice or not received by the pardoned. Because of this formal glitch, maybe Trump could also revoke some pardons of Obama and Bill Clinton!
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Is this a red herring? I thought the issue was "lessening the penalty," when there was no penalty. The Offense didn't happen if not proven in court, the penalty doesn't happen untill after proven in court (ignoring "the ride"). So the pardon for a crime with no conviction secured is what, exactly? A pardon, or something else? Banana Republic territory, but we already live in Banana Republic.

Whatever, I expect no justice anyway and will be pleasantly surprised if any covid bullshit gets to a criminal court. The only people jailed were ones forging vax cards.

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There's a court precedent that pardons can be revoked if they were not delivered by the Department of Justice or not received by the pardoned.

Pardons aren't delivered by horseback anymore. It is electronic and instant. And the pardons can only be revoked by the issuing body. However Biden can still be impeached after he leaves office which would make his pardons void.

There is precedent for preemptive pardons.

The power of pardon conferred by the Constitution upon the President is unlimited except in cases of impeachment. It extends to every offence known to the law, and may be exercised at any time after its commission, either before legal proceedings are taken or during their pendency, or after conviction and judgment.

Andrew Johnson pardoned Augustus Hill Garland (Ex parte Garland)

Ford gave Nixon a preemptive pardon over Watergate.

Carter blanket pardoned Vietnam draft dodgers

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Thanks for the additional infos.

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I've been reading up on this topic for a couple days. And from what I understand (((it doesn't matter what the law or precedent is. They will do what they want and write laws and acts or pay off judges to support it afterwards))).

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Correct, the President of the United States does not have the power to preemptively immunize individuals from future criminal conduct. However, the President does have the constitutional authority to grant pardons or reprieves for federal offenses that have already occurred. This power is granted by Article II, Section 2 of the U.S. Constitution, which gives the President the ability to forgive or lessen the penalties for past crimes, but it does not extend to preemptively pardoning people for crimes they have not yet committed.

The idea that a previous president can preemptively pardon people is a jewish trick and requires mental gymnastics. Certainly he can claim he pardons future crimes but the justice system can prosecute them anyway.