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Arguments: The only value gold has is dollars and vanity. There was NEVER a NEED for gold. There are better/cheaper materials that can replace gold in almost all scenarios.

Gold goes up cause dollars are worth less. So is gold really worth more than it ever was?

In a real collapse I would not trade food for gold. Would you?

There are a million things that would be much more valuable than gold in a collapse.

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Arguments: The only value gold has is dollars and vanity. There was NEVER a NEED for gold. There are better/cheaper materials that can replace gold in almost all scenarios. Gold goes up cause dollars are worth less. So is gold really worth more than it ever was? In a real collapse I would not trade food for gold. Would you? There are a million things that would be much more valuable than gold in a collapse. Seeds Coffee Tobacco Food Water Tools Skills Etc...

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Gold itself is pseudo-fiat. It at least is somewhat difficult to obtain.

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Kind of, only if decreed as a currency and people still put faith into the government. I wouldn't trade for something I can't eat, doesn't cure sickness, is too soft to make tools and has the only redeeming quality of it's shiny.

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>Kind of, only if decreed as a currency and people still put faith into the government.

This will happen and currency will be 'issued' relative to one's gold holdings.

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Only gold is money, jews know that.

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Gold is what Jews used to subvert people before whites were stupid enough to let them spin gold from thin air with the federal reserve

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Its to preserve wealth, if you are wealthy.

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Gold has very useful properties. It's value as currency came not only from it's rarity but from the fact is difficult to destroy or corrode and can be easily reshaped into something new.
In modern times it is useful as a conductor of electricity.


Arguably the most important industrial use of gold is in the manufacture of electronics. Gold is a highly efficient conductor which can carry tiny currents and remain corrosion-free. It is used in connectors, switch and relay contacts, soldered joints, connecting wires and connection strips

https://www.mecmining.com.au/top-5-uses-of-gold-one-of-the-worlds-most-coveted-metals/


For the average person, gold is only useful as currency and may well be superceded in use by more commonly traded goods like those you mentioned.

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There are other cheaper conductors that work just as well. Gold is soft and fragile. The biggest benefit to gold is it doesn't rust.

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As with anything else, the more diversified your portfolio, the better off you are.

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I’ve got 9mm, .45 ACP, and both widely used 7.62’s! Diversify!

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I diversified my portfolio across many different stocks. Now i'm broke.

Be hearing this alot in short order.

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I did not mean stocks. Guns, food, ammo, seeds, tools, medicine, cash, metals, booze....

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If it’s any consolation, all corporations will cease to hold value in the stock market for all.

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Only foreign stocks now. The dollar is going extinct.

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All value is subjective.

Gold has uses as a medium of exchange due to its scarcity (can't manufacture it easily), its divisibility, its fungibility and its longevity. You can subdivide gold as much as you want. It's difficult to fake. It has no expiration date.

Whether the current price of gold is anything remotely close to what it will be in a SHTF scenario is another question.

There are a million things that would be much more valuable than gold in a collapse.

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These make poor mediums of exchange due to lack of longevity, divisibility, and fungibility. While some of these things have been used as currency at some points in the past, that state of affairs did not last long.

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Only because retards decided worthless shekels were worth something. Look up the history of money. Shekels were used before gold. And before that. People traded goods.

These make poor mediums of exchange due to lack of longevity, divisibility, and fungibility

None of that applies here. All of which can be stored indefinitely. Trading work or food for other work or food IS the definition of fungibility. Gold is non fungible. No one will trade food for gold. Period.

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These make poor mediums of exchange due to lack of longevity, divisibility, and fungibility

None of that applies here. All of which can be stored indefinitely. Trading work or food for other work or food IS the definition of fungibility. Gold is non fungible. No one will trade food for gold. Period.

Seeds, Coffee, Tobacco and food can't be stored indefinitely. Their quality degrades over time, some more rapidly than others. There are different types of seeds, coffee, and tobacco that can be more or less in demand and that demand can vary over time. These are not good mediums of exchange.

What you are talking about here is barter, which suffers from the need for a double coincidence of wants: I have to have what you want, and you need to have what I want, before a trade can take place. On the other hand, if using a medium of exchange like gold, I can sell something I don't need for gold, and then buy something I need using gold. No double coincidence of wants is needed.

No one will trade food for gold. Period.

If others accept gold as the medium of exchange, and not everyone has to accept it, but enough people such that you can easily buy and sell things, people will sell things like food for gold, and then use that gold to buy other things they need.

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That’s only if it’s widely accepted, in the event of a revolution no one will give two shits about gold, but food and energy will be the ultimate needs for all. We’re not talking about a century from now, we’re talking within a decade, for a couple of decades. Gold may come back around, but for a period it will be valueless.

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Hold isn't scarce because governments have figured out to print gold by gold that is bought and sold on the books only.

All the more reason to hold gold. If that bubble ever unwinds and the fake gold that's on the books disappears, the gold you physically hold will be worth a lot more.

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Looking at gold price declining against inflation I believe that this scam is two decades old.

Remember that bank that had 3000tons of silver on the books that didn't exist in reality?

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It's worth something only as long as we have a (semi? badly?) functioning economy. But it becomes worth nothing if things collapse.

If that happens, pre-made goods will have value as long as they last and durables and things like you mentioned (seeds, grown foods) will have the most value. It would have to be a civilization ends moment for that, tho.

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Finally. Someone with a brain.

Ironic...

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Please don't tell everyone, tho. They'll all want some.

but I bet they'll give you gold for it

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All currency is fiat, you cannot prove me wrong. Goods are the only true currency, time and energy translated into metal, 0’s and 1’s, or paper means nothing to me, for those that do nothing with their time except concocting swindle tactics will always throw currency off-balance. Build a super computer that calculates value by means of efficiency, time, and effort exerted by humans, and maybe things will even out. Bill Gates already patented the outcome of what I described, but not the tech.

I foresee a lot of our system of today will be nullified shortly, and paper money, gold, and crypto will become value-free. Food, Aquaponics systems, electric transportation, guns & ammo, solar, etc. will trend to the most valuable things one can own for a period of time. Once taxation ceases, things will go awry for a period until the anarchy balances itself out, whereby we the people cull the carcinogenic individuals and take back our power and sovereignty. Even the various world militaries will bring up arms against their own given orders to protect the wrong-doers, hence the influx of bunker production and ‘anti-lynching’ laws coming about in 2022. Lynching of the 21st century is humanity’s way of fighting it’s flu, it’s going to get ugly, but 99.9999% of humans don’t have to worry about anything, just the bloodlines that have enslaved the rest.

No man has authority over another man, we may believe what we want but that is a universal law, exercising this fallacy is a result of being brainwashed. The people are the authority, not persons, and in the future if that natural law is broken, the people will regulate and keep balance. Anarchy is absence of rulers, not absence of rules (an = against, archon = master), as such immorality and evil will be easily purged at the slightest hint of wrong-doing, without resistance from inefficient current ‘due process’. There will be less ‘due’ and more ‘process’.

Where people with no or negative value exist, have numbered days, no amount of their money or assets will save them, the rich will be the first to go (the leeches), then the dumb & unskilled. Energy will be the first currency to replace everything, so fuels and electric production/storage are safe investments. I imagine wealthy people hoarding these now will likely be robbed and lynched, but at what threshold are people safe? I think the honest millionaires may be allowed to stick around, and the dishonest will be culled, we the people will know when the times comes.

No one is talking about revolution because if they do, they’ll be targeted first by their defense, and there will be defense. It will happen suddenly, with zero warning, and collectively, without any words said. The action of typing or verbally saying words incriminates, and the honest moral prudent citizens of the world are not criminals but have been pushed to this point. It’s like a sane woman that ‘out of nowhere’ kills her abusive husband, we all look at the woman as a criminal after the fact, but something pushed her to that point. The mob of garbage men ‘taking out the trash’ will be revered and will definitely have a spot in the gene pool, females throw themselves at men willing to die for the sake of humanity, that’s a known, unspoken law amongst humans.

Perhaps untainted, unvaxxed sperm will become a currency amongst females, decades of time will tell. Imagine unvaxxed household impregnation services where goods are exchanged for a good dicking until conception, it’s entirely possible if the whole ‘vaccine eugenics’ proves true.

I’m personally fully willing to go temporarily full-communist with zero pay of any kind if it means humanity can right itself. I say this as I sit in my off-grid homestead, so I know I’m a small minority in that department. My pops was right everyday I worked with him, “Skills are the most valuable thing on Earth.” Aligns with ‘knowledge is power’, and the true meaning of ‘money’ (one eye, or the mind’s eye), skills in swindling and theft are worth something today, but will mean nothing, or even death, in the future. The West will probably adopt the Middle East’s hand amputation practices, or perhaps a forehead branding technique. Talk about ‘social credit’, lawyers everywhere will be branded and no one will deal or barter with them. A Jury wouldn’t listen to a lawyer with a black-marked forehead. Tattoos on fingers only last a few years, but could temporarily brand a thief into social oblivion, tattoo removal would become illegal or ultra-controlled, there are so many possibilities for protecting future honest-earned currencies.

If you can swing a hammer and use a measuring tape, I imagine you don’t have anything to worry about, maybe unless you’re a (((carpenter))).

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No gold is worth the same it has always been. Only the value of the dollar fluctuates.

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Gold will be revalued upwards by many thousands and be the backbone of the coming new world money system.

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It is an investment vehicle. If you need anything costly enough that you would pay with gold, you are either not going to make it or you are better off acquiring that thing.

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You understand that gold can be in the shape of a kilogram or a gram right? It's not one set size.

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What are you going to buy from randoms who have a sub gram accurate scale when 1g of gold has an aquisition cost of 84.45 and a theoretical value vs 1913 prices of 745?

Why yes, I would like a dozen eggs please please accept this picogram of gold oh shit the breeze took it

Edit: but non shit posting 25mg at max price discover would be a total rip off for a doz eggs.

Comparatively you could have 90% silver quarters which would have a max theoretical value of $500 each but would require no weighing since they have .18 troy ounces each and have ridges so you can tell if they have been clipped.

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Nope. Lots of things that are worth more.

No one will give you anything for gold if SHTF. Good luck trading gold for food...

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Weak thinker noted:

"The only value gold has is dollars and vanity. There was NEVER a NEED for gold. There are better/cheaper materials that can replace gold in almost all scenarios." PLEASE LIST ALL OF THOSE BETTER/CHEAPER MATERIALS YOU ARE AWARE OF THAT HAVE BEEN UTILIZED FOR SAY....2 THOUSAND YEARS+++. NOTE WHICH OF THOSE HAVE HISTORICALLY BEEN USED DURING REAL TIMES OF SHTF MOMENTS. I'M INTERESTED TO SEE YOUR LIST.

"Gold goes up cause dollars are worth less. So is gold really worth more than it ever was?" YES! IT MOST ASSUREDLY IS IF YOUR NEIGHBOR LEFT ALL OF HIS $ IN DOLLARS. YOU CAN BUY HIS HOUSE AND MOST OF WHAT HE/SHE OWNS WITH YOUR GOLD WINDFALL.

"In a real collapse I would not trade food for gold. Would you?" I AGREE FULLY WITH YOU HERE, OF COURSE NOT. BUT I HAVE MUCH MORE FOOD STOCKPILED THAN YOU, MUCH MUCH MORE. I WILL BE TRADING FOOD FOR GOLD AT THAT MOMENT. WHEN YOU RUN OUT OF FOOD LONG BEFORE I DO, WHAT WILL YOU BE TRADING TO GET FOOD?

"There are a million things that would be much more valuable than gold in a collapse." THAT'S AN IGNORANT THING TO PITCH. WHAT KIND OF COLLAPSE? HOW COULD YOU POSSIBLY KNOW WHAT THAT PARTICULAR COLLAPSE WILL BE LIKE. HISTORY SHOWS US MANY MANY VARIATIONS. DEPENDS WHAT THE COLLAPSE IS. IF THE COLLAPSE IS SUCH THAT YOU NEED TO GRAB SOME VALUABLES AND HOP OVER THE BORDER, A SMALL BOX OF GOLD WILL BUY YOU ALL THE THINGS YOU LIST WHEN YOU GET THERE. IF YOU HAD TO FLEE FOR YOUR LIFE FROM YOUR HOME IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT, SERIOUSLY, THIS HAS OCCURRED MANY TIMES IN THE AGES, HOW MUCH OF ANYTHING/EVERYTHING IN YOUR LIST WOULD YOU GRAB AT 3AM AND TAKE WITH YOU? OR WOULD YOU PREFER A SINGLE SMALL BOX OF GOLD?

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Gold is a fantastic store of wealth. Make sure you have water, food and weaponry situated before you buy it of course. What say ye about all that up there Weakthinker? Please provide a list of things other than gold which have been utilized by people fleeing during STHF times. I'll start on that list: DIAMONDS and SKILLS (from your list). We all know gold isn't perfect, so tell us what is. Now your turn. Make it good.

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Gold is a fantastic store of wealth.

Based on what? What actual "value" does gold have? Please explain...

Make sure you have water, food and weaponry situated before you buy it of course.

Oh. You mean things more valuable than gold. If you have those things to trade there is absolutely no need for gold.

What say ye about all that up there Weakthinker?

This makes zero sense. What the fuck are you even talking about?

Please provide a list of things other than gold which have been utilized by people fleeing during STHF times. I'll start on that list: DIAMONDS. Now your turn.

What the fuck does that have to do with gold? What the fuck does that have to do with this post at all?

I'm sorry you wasted your money on worthless metals. Let me know how that gold tastes...

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I'll add one for you, lighters or matches.

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Unable to answer a single one of my points? Haha! Retardation confirmation of @AmericanThinker noted.

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Firearms/Ammo/swords and Food/water will soon be worth far more than gold. I have seen the opening 'zombie' scene in World War Z (on a small scale) because of a big snow and empty shelves. When the 'zombies' get hungry and the store shelves are empty, they will not be looking for gold and gold will not STOP them.

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