The war in ukraine has created a fair bit of division on the right and divided the right from moderates/centrists, could this have been the primary goal of western powers to provoke the conflict at this moment in history?

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The enemy is sabotaging civilization and we're the only people preaching it's defense and making suggestions for it's bolster or repair even in a blind society that would make us inevitable, and in short order our ideology would root in the public consciousness and then bloom; this is the cyclical nature of ideology. The enemy empowers us, a few of the people in their multimillion dollar think tanks must have seen such an obvious and inevitable outcome on the horizon, how then would they plan to preempt our ideological blooming, to stick to the metaphor, plant another nearly identical ideology too close, salt the ground surrounding both and see them fight over resources, that implies this was all planned for a long time, in reality I think they have miss-stepped and are scuttling some of their plans to avoid creating more problems, they want to simplify the game a little.

Azov was meant to be a white bogey man to fuel their war on the white race and speed the west's collapse into a prison state. They would use planted assets in azov to create problems in america while funding azov in eastern Europe to create conflicts they could capitalize on by stealing children and enabling white slavery and hopefully direct this bogey man at russia while using the headlines at home to persecute whites. Instead jew funded azov will now fight the organic right for opinion space, it is like a schism in a young religion, the fractures will spread, and the whole squabble looks gross to anyone disinclined to learn the details and wards them off when before they might have been disillusioned enough with their old religion to convert, and now see an ugly slap fight that doesn't look suitable to guide them.

There was a nigh unwavering memetic unity in rightwing spaces prior to the ukraine conflict, it's many facets and moving parts have created enough nuance to put many people at different ends of the table from one another where once they all sat on the same side, this fractious posture is solely an issue for the right, and this is what I'm saying may have been the point of provoking the conflict at this time, this conflict was always going to metastasize into something worse the only question was when, and it seems the west did everything to ensure the answer was now. The money pumped into azov and the right in ukraine invigorated their online presence and made them a staple fixture in the memetic landscape of the right, they have turned their energy against russia and softened to the jews who now aid them and there is division in rightwing meme culture, I could give many examples but a bitchute account I'm subbed to formerly went by holocaust lies exposed, and now has renamed his channel to historical lies exposed, he is a ukrainian and no longer has holocaust or jew exposure based content but instead wags his finger at russia and the right who have "lionized" putin

This is becoming an essay so I'll lean into it; People will screech and Putin would probably have me put in prison if I said this in Russia but modern Russia, in terms of economy and government order more closely resembles national socialist Germany than Mussolini's Italy did, and Maoist china is dead and under Xi, and his hidden diet, modern communist china has perfected the vision of national socialism Mussolini had. Feel free to reject these opinions, but I see the core tenants of fascism as being somewhat nebulous and ideological and am looking at practical elements to make this comparison, china has a planned economy with a mixture of state production and free market(free so long as it lets a military polit agent on the board) and russia's economy is as free as a bird flying over the sea with nowhere to land, state dependence is baked in by sanctions and putin's coping measures for over a decade of sanctions has made a market deeply independent from globalism but somewhat dependent on government co-ordination compared to other world powers. IF you pressed me for a quote I would say Putins' russia has synthesized laissez-faire national socialism.

Why is the above relevant? the authentic natsocs in azov and putin should get along, that isn't crazy talk, a Ukraine independent from NATO globo-homo™ suits russia's defense needs, putin is guilty of all the same sins that lead judea and the rothschild cartel to declare war on germany, and azov should love that, putins russia is a defacto national socialist state and defacto fascist, putin's russia looks almost identical to azov's ideal ukraine, these two groups are blinded by past hatred and jewish confusion. Putin could recognize the holodomor and blame it on jews to avoid admitting russia owes anybody shit, the owing reparations part seems to be why putin denies it in the first place, and aside from russian parasite jews happy sucking his blood out of his dick, world jewery already hates putin.

I'll play devils advocate against my self, if azov developed into a legitimate political party and ruled ukraine putin may still face ideological subversion in russia by azov, though I'd think their main focus would be the west if they held power, alternatively for this to work putin would have to make probably too many concessions to a group of largely powerless nazis, at the time, and though he can rig his elections he has to do it on the margins like every other democracy, you can't just rig a 0 support candidate and so he does have to care about public opinion, and russia largely hates nazis, because russia probably couldn't exist without it's people believing the nazis were infinitely worse than the soviets. it seems anti russian sentiment is baked into azov, I don't understand it, but I do understand I wouldn't want to live in a country sharing a land border with western russia. If azov were making at least as much effort as golden dawn not to look like a carbon copy of the SA or SS I think putin might have been capable of selling azov as a valuable regional ally to the russian people, and I have to wonder if azov's image leaning into being neo nazis is by design of their jewish funders possibly for that exact reason.

I want to support azov's people, I don't want russia dissolved, or WW3, I blame western powers for the war in ukraine and mostly I want no more brother's wars.

TL:DR seems like the war has poisoned the well a bit huh?

Shower thoughts are normally pretty short but I just christened a new water heater with a shower, a soak, and a half a case of beer.

Consider the times we live in and historical parallels, such difficulties for a society or civilization usually precipitate change, the logical change would have been to pass the reigns to the group most confident in it's ability to correct course, the right, the real right, not rino cucks. I recognize "right" is a bit of misnomer considering we aren't in power and the status quo is not ours but you grasp my meaning anyway. The enemy is sabotaging civilization and we're the only people preaching it's defense and making suggestions for it's bolster or repair even in a blind society that would make us inevitable, and in short order our ideology would root in the public consciousness and then bloom; this is the cyclical nature of ideology. The enemy empowers us, a few of the people in their multimillion dollar think tanks must have seen such an obvious and inevitable outcome on the horizon, how then would they plan to preempt our ideological blooming, to stick to the metaphor, plant another nearly identical ideology too close, salt the ground surrounding both and see them fight over resources, that implies this was all planned for a long time, in reality I think they have miss-stepped and are scuttling some of their plans to avoid creating more problems, they want to simplify the game a little. Azov was meant to be a white bogey man to fuel their war on the white race and speed the west's collapse into a prison state. They would use planted assets in azov to create problems in america while funding azov in eastern Europe to create conflicts they could capitalize on by stealing children and enabling white slavery and hopefully direct this bogey man at russia while using the headlines at home to persecute whites. Instead jew funded azov will now fight the organic right for opinion space, it is like a schism in a young religion, the fractures will spread, and the whole squabble looks gross to anyone disinclined to learn the details and wards them off when before they might have been disillusioned enough with their old religion to convert, and now see an ugly slap fight that doesn't look suitable to guide them. There was a nigh unwavering memetic unity in rightwing spaces prior to the ukraine conflict, it's many facets and moving parts have created enough nuance to put many people at different ends of the table from one another where once they all sat on the same side, this fractious posture is solely an issue for the right, and this is what I'm saying may have been the point of provoking the conflict at this time, this conflict was always going to metastasize into something worse the only question was when, and it seems the west did everything to ensure the answer was now. The money pumped into azov and the right in ukraine invigorated their online presence and made them a staple fixture in the memetic landscape of the right, they have turned their energy against russia and softened to the jews who now aid them and there is division in rightwing meme culture, I could give many examples but a bitchute account I'm subbed to formerly went by holocaust lies exposed, and now has renamed his channel to historical lies exposed, he is a ukrainian and no longer has holocaust or jew exposure based content but instead wags his finger at russia and the right who have "lionized" putin This is becoming an essay so I'll lean into it; People will screech and Putin would probably have me put in prison if I said this in Russia but modern Russia, in terms of economy and government order more closely resembles national socialist Germany than Mussolini's Italy did, and Maoist china is dead and under Xi, and his hidden diet, modern communist china has perfected the vision of national socialism Mussolini had. Feel free to reject these opinions, but I see the core tenants of fascism as being somewhat nebulous and ideological and am looking at practical elements to make this comparison, china has a planned economy with a mixture of state production and free market(free so long as it lets a military polit agent on the board) and russia's economy is as free as a bird flying over the sea with nowhere to land, state dependence is baked in by sanctions and putin's coping measures for over a decade of sanctions has made a market deeply independent from globalism but somewhat dependent on government co-ordination compared to other world powers. IF you pressed me for a quote I would say Putins' russia has synthesized laissez-faire national socialism. Why is the above relevant? the authentic natsocs in azov and putin should get along, that isn't crazy talk, a Ukraine independent from NATO globo-homo™ suits russia's defense needs, putin is guilty of all the same sins that lead judea and the rothschild cartel to declare war on germany, and azov should love that, putins russia is a defacto national socialist state and defacto fascist, putin's russia looks almost identical to azov's ideal ukraine, these two groups are blinded by past hatred and jewish confusion. Putin could recognize the holodomor and blame it on jews to avoid admitting russia owes anybody shit, the owing reparations part seems to be why putin denies it in the first place, and aside from russian parasite jews happy sucking his blood out of his dick, world jewery already hates putin. I'll play devils advocate against my self, if azov developed into a legitimate political party and ruled ukraine putin may still face ideological subversion in russia by azov, though I'd think their main focus would be the west if they held power, alternatively for this to work putin would have to make probably too many concessions to a group of largely powerless nazis, at the time, and though he can rig his elections he has to do it on the margins like every other democracy, you can't just rig a 0 support candidate and so he does have to care about public opinion, and russia largely hates nazis, because russia probably couldn't exist without it's people believing the nazis were infinitely worse than the soviets. it seems anti russian sentiment is baked into azov, I don't understand it, but I do understand I wouldn't want to live in a country sharing a land border with western russia. If azov were making at least as much effort as golden dawn not to look like a carbon copy of the SA or SS I think putin might have been capable of selling azov as a valuable regional ally to the russian people, and I have to wonder if azov's image leaning into being neo nazis is by design of their jewish funders possibly for that exact reason. I want to support azov's people, I don't want russia dissolved, or WW3, I blame western powers for the war in ukraine and mostly I want no more brother's wars. TL:DR seems like the war has poisoned the well a bit huh? Shower thoughts are normally pretty short but I just christened a new water heater with a shower, a soak, and a half a case of beer.

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who now aid them and there is division in rightwing meme culture

oh lawd you take this shit way too seriously.

There was a nigh unwavering memetic unity in rightwing spaces prior to the ukraine conflict

I would say this is exactly the opposite of the environment. The right has always been divided, and we're no more divided then we were before.

azov had no organic support from any of us, was not meaningfully on anyone's radar except some unimportant german anarchists that the CIA picked up and discarded like a used condom after the 2020 antifa riots and J6.

I wasn't even aware they existed until this shitshow. And I called this shit before anyone else, while everyone else was sucking at their mothers teets and explaining why the invasion definitely wouldnt happen.

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oh lawd you take this shit way too seriously.

Private letters between Wagner and Nietzche later published have influenced culture, philosophy, politics, social perspectives and ideology, they rarely repeated themselves in their correspondence and how many people do you know that have read these things, drippings of thought from dead men reverberate in our daily lives but the bull horn shouting's of tens of thousands in agreement or otherwise repeated daily in full view of millions more than have ever read the correspondences of the dead men I've named could have no effect on the greater whole of society?

I believe in a chain of causality, Russia wouldn't invade ukraine when it did if the opportunity didn't look right, the opportunity looks right when American incompetence leads to the greatest military disaster since the fall of the Austro-Hungarian empire, if Donald trump is not elected in 2016 the context of our draw down in Afghanistan fundamentally changes and likely doesn't result in the greatest military blunder in a century, the alt right and dissident right which manifested the online presence and word of mouth ground swell trump needed to win in 2016 don't manifest if various precursor movements which are initially apolitical and later inform the politics of these groups never form, those groups being no-fap, the red pill, and MGTOW, these groups don't form all at the same time and develop copacetic political ideologies if /b/tard doesn't propose and make a calendar for the first annual no-fap September in 2007, which was intended to just reset dopamine tolerance in their porn addled heads but instead lead to a huge spike in production of male hormones influencing their brain chemistry and incidentally creating a fertile ground for masculine thought in a deeply emasculated generation of boys and young men. international politics as you know it was defined by porn junkies looking to bust a nut so hard it sticks to the ceiling and instead getting overwhelmed by millennia of reproductive instincts and changing the tide of web culture at just the right moment.

Since 2014 the right has been in a pattern of unification making small concessions everywhere to try to get on the same page and organize for victory, petty bickering has gone on but nothing of consequence to divide us happened until qtardation came into focus as a cancer and, but now we've got people who consider all forms of nationalism based calling azov unacceptable nazis and the guys who were agreeing with them about assad being based just a day before trying score points by accusing them of being just as responsible for the islamic rape of europe as putin is for sending chechens to ukraine, I'm not supporting either arguments I'm just saying we are splitting at the seams.

Azov has been sharing videos of them attacking communist organizers for years and going relatively viral, they are also behind a whole lot of pretty eastern european girls, posing in front of swastikas and black suns, captioned with slogans to the point that I'm wondering how organic black sun iconography really is in the movement, between azov and watching Tarrant pick up a magazine that was on the floor before he was pushed I'm really wondering how deep that rabbit hole goes. Azov had a fair amount of support our european counter parts but they mostly made their own space and went for social media all on their own, they were seemingly trying to make inroads with qtards in america or the glow niggers handling them.

I figured this invasion wouldn't happen because the west wasn't stupid enough to create more problems at such an inopportune time but that's what a sane person who doesn't walk with every step being dictated by the Hegelian dialectic might think, "more problems" very clearly was just the solution they needed to their problems.

>oh lawd you take this shit way too seriously. Private letters between Wagner and Nietzche later published have influenced culture, philosophy, politics, social perspectives and ideology, they rarely repeated themselves in their correspondence and how many people do you know that have read these things, drippings of thought from dead men reverberate in our daily lives but the bull horn shouting's of tens of thousands in agreement or otherwise repeated daily in full view of millions more than have ever read the correspondences of the dead men I've named could have no effect on the greater whole of society? I believe in a chain of causality, Russia wouldn't invade ukraine when it did if the opportunity didn't look right, the opportunity looks right when American incompetence leads to the greatest military disaster since the fall of the Austro-Hungarian empire, if Donald trump is not elected in 2016 the context of our draw down in Afghanistan fundamentally changes and likely doesn't result in the greatest military blunder in a century, the alt right and dissident right which manifested the online presence and word of mouth ground swell trump needed to win in 2016 don't manifest if various precursor movements which are initially apolitical and later inform the politics of these groups never form, those groups being no-fap, the red pill, and MGTOW, these groups don't form all at the same time and develop copacetic political ideologies if /b/tard doesn't propose and make a calendar for the first annual no-fap September in 2007, which was intended to just reset dopamine tolerance in their porn addled heads but instead lead to a huge spike in production of male hormones influencing their brain chemistry and incidentally creating a fertile ground for masculine thought in a deeply emasculated generation of boys and young men. international politics as you know it was defined by porn junkies looking to bust a nut so hard it sticks to the ceiling and instead getting overwhelmed by millennia of reproductive instincts and changing the tide of web culture at just the right moment. Since 2014 the right has been in a pattern of unification making small concessions everywhere to try to get on the same page and organize for victory, petty bickering has gone on but nothing of consequence to divide us happened until qtardation came into focus as a cancer and, but now we've got people who consider all forms of nationalism based calling azov unacceptable nazis and the guys who were agreeing with them about assad being based just a day before trying score points by accusing them of being just as responsible for the islamic rape of europe as putin is for sending chechens to ukraine, I'm not supporting either arguments I'm just saying we are splitting at the seams. Azov has been sharing videos of them attacking communist organizers for years and going relatively viral, they are also behind a whole lot of pretty eastern european girls, posing in front of swastikas and black suns, captioned with slogans to the point that I'm wondering how organic black sun iconography really is in the movement, between azov and watching Tarrant pick up a magazine that was on the floor before he was pushed I'm really wondering how deep that rabbit hole goes. Azov had a fair amount of support our european counter parts but they mostly made their own space and went for social media all on their own, they were seemingly trying to make inroads with qtards in america or the glow niggers handling them. I figured this invasion wouldn't happen because the west wasn't stupid enough to create more problems at such an inopportune time but that's what a sane person who doesn't walk with every step being dictated by the Hegelian dialectic might think, "more problems" very clearly was just the solution they needed to their problems.

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Russia wouldn't invade ukraine when it did if the opportunity didn't look right, the opportunity looks right when American

Fair enough

if Donald trump is not elected in 2016 the context of our draw down in Afghanistan fundamentally changes and likely doesn't result in the greatest military blunder in a century,

It was a blunder from the moment we entered. There was never going to be a graceful exit. Thats where we differ.

the alt right and dissident right which manifested the online presence and word of mouth ground swell trump needed to win in 2016 don't manifest if various precursor movements which are initially apolitical and later inform the politics of these groups never form, those groups being no-fap, the red pill, and MGTOW, these groups don't form all at the same time and develop copacetic political ideologies if /b/tard doesn't propose and make a calendar for the first annual no-fap September in 2007

Most of that was astroturf anyway.

Since 2014 the right has been in a pattern of unification making small concessions everywhere to try to get on the same page and organize for victory, petty bickering has gone on but nothing of consequence to divide us happened until qtardation came into focus as a cancer and, but now we've got people who consider all forms of nationalism based calling azov unacceptable nazis and the guys who were agreeing with them about assad being based just a day before trying score points by accusing them of being just as responsible for the islamic rape of europe as putin is for sending chechens to ukraine, I'm not supporting either arguments I'm just saying we are splitting at the seams.

This has less to do with qtardation and a lot to do with lack of leadership and direction after an electoral defeat of a 90s democrat leading us on.

I'm not supporting either arguments I'm just saying we are splitting at the seams.

The u.s. is entering an anti-moderates phase, thats what you're actually seeing. It's not the breakup of the right. To illustrate this more clearly, look at what is happening on the left. The same thing.

Its the "kill the sacred cows" and villification of moderates. Everyone hoping things will simmer down don't realize we're entering a new, more intense, polarization phase. I mean at the end of the day, I'm making unsupported claims, but it's purely conjecture that I assume you'll connect back to what you yourself know, and your own understanding of the politics and dynamics. It's just soundboarding.

Azov has been sharing videos of them attacking communist organizers for years and going relatively viral,

News to me.

captioned with slogans to the point that I'm wondering how organic black sun iconography really is in the movement

In my experience, whats viral, is rarely organic. A stage requires actors, and script writers. The play does not act itself.

watching Tarrant pick up a magazine that was on the floor before he was pushed I'm really wondering how deep that rabbit hole goes.

I said in another post, and I'll say it again, theres a splinter of the German political scene, with roots in the intelligence community, that u.s. intelligence has worked with, if not exploited, for international objectives. I'm fifty-fifty they're aligned not just with German intelligence, but some major third party foreign intelligence besides the u.s, just haven't nailed who. Regardless, they do efficient work.

Azov had a fair amount of support our european counter parts but they mostly made their own space and went for social media all on their own, they were seemingly trying to make inroads with qtards in america or the glow niggers handling them.

I can see that. You seem to know your stuff. If I have any subject matter questions later on, can I send them your way? Because I'm no expert here and it's a good day whenever I run across someone who actually knows what they're talking about.

"more problems" very clearly was just the solution they needed to their problems.

The explanation for why I thought he would invade, despite all answers to the contrary, is based on a simple premise. Unfortunately I'm not 100% if the same group that co-opted the u.s. also runs this and other boards, and last time I brought it up, I had some coincidental things happen in my life that I don't want to happen again if I'm correct.

I'm right often enough, in a general way. But being too correct about some things, the whos, the whats, and the wheres, is in fact genuinely dangerous. I'd say ninety nine percent of the time what we post here is irrelevant, and if I'm correct, to the one group that gets mentioned one percent of the time, with a solid enough post, thats a very excellent way to piss off all the wrong people.

There are in fact verboten groups, and no, ironically, considering as often as they get mentioned here and elsewhere, that doesn't include the israelis.

So I won't hint at it, because we're just a bunch of dickheads on an obscure forum and nothing we post matters, but its better to be safer than sorry when you have good reason to believe you're correct about a very dangerous hunch over who actually runs things in the u.s. and abroad.

> Russia wouldn't invade ukraine when it did if the opportunity didn't look right, the opportunity looks right when American Fair enough > if Donald trump is not elected in 2016 the context of our draw down in Afghanistan fundamentally changes and likely doesn't result in the greatest military blunder in a century, It was a blunder from the moment we entered. There was never going to be a graceful exit. Thats where we differ. > the alt right and dissident right which manifested the online presence and word of mouth ground swell trump needed to win in 2016 don't manifest if various precursor movements which are initially apolitical and later inform the politics of these groups never form, those groups being no-fap, the red pill, and MGTOW, these groups don't form all at the same time and develop copacetic political ideologies if /b/tard doesn't propose and make a calendar for the first annual no-fap September in 2007 Most of that was astroturf anyway. > Since 2014 the right has been in a pattern of unification making small concessions everywhere to try to get on the same page and organize for victory, petty bickering has gone on but nothing of consequence to divide us happened until qtardation came into focus as a cancer and, but now we've got people who consider all forms of nationalism based calling azov unacceptable nazis and the guys who were agreeing with them about assad being based just a day before trying score points by accusing them of being just as responsible for the islamic rape of europe as putin is for sending chechens to ukraine, I'm not supporting either arguments I'm just saying we are splitting at the seams. This has less to do with qtardation and a lot to do with lack of leadership and direction after an electoral defeat of a 90s democrat leading us on. > I'm not supporting either arguments I'm just saying we are splitting at the seams. The u.s. is entering an anti-moderates phase, thats what you're actually seeing. It's not the breakup of the right. To illustrate this more clearly, look at what is happening on the left. The same thing. Its the "kill the sacred cows" and villification of moderates. Everyone hoping things will simmer down don't realize we're entering a new, more intense, polarization phase. I mean at the end of the day, I'm making unsupported claims, but it's purely conjecture that I assume you'll connect back to what you yourself know, and your own understanding of the politics and dynamics. It's just soundboarding. > Azov has been sharing videos of them attacking communist organizers for years and going relatively viral, News to me. > captioned with slogans to the point that I'm wondering how organic black sun iconography really is in the movement In my experience, whats viral, is rarely organic. A stage requires actors, and script writers. The play does not act itself. > watching Tarrant pick up a magazine that was on the floor before he was pushed I'm really wondering how deep that rabbit hole goes. I said in another post, and I'll say it again, theres a splinter of the German political scene, with roots in the intelligence community, that u.s. intelligence has worked with, if not exploited, for international objectives. I'm fifty-fifty they're aligned not just with German intelligence, but some major third party foreign intelligence besides the u.s, just haven't nailed who. Regardless, they do efficient work. > Azov had a fair amount of support our european counter parts but they mostly made their own space and went for social media all on their own, they were seemingly trying to make inroads with qtards in america or the glow niggers handling them. I can see that. You seem to know your stuff. If I have any subject matter questions later on, can I send them your way? Because I'm no expert here and it's a good day whenever I run across someone who actually knows what they're talking about. > "more problems" very clearly was just the solution they needed to their problems. The explanation for why I thought he would invade, despite all answers to the contrary, is based on a simple premise. Unfortunately I'm not 100% if the same group that co-opted the u.s. also runs this and other boards, and last time I brought it up, I had some coincidental things happen in my life that I don't want to happen again if I'm correct. I'm right often enough, in a general way. But being *too* correct about some things, the whos, the whats, and the wheres, is *in fact* genuinely dangerous. I'd say ninety nine percent of the time what we post here is irrelevant, and if I'm correct, to the one group that gets mentioned one percent of the time, with a solid enough post, thats a very excellent way to piss off all the wrong people. There are in fact verboten groups, and no, ironically, considering as often as they get mentioned here and elsewhere, that doesn't include the israelis. So I won't hint at it, because we're just a bunch of dickheads on an obscure forum and nothing we post matters, but its better to be safer than sorry when you have good reason to believe you're correct about a very dangerous hunch over who actually runs things in the u.s. and abroad.

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Europe needs a boogie man so countries not part of the UN join.

Then the UN can be the world government.

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I don't think russia scares anybody but eastern europe, and basically every country on earth is in the UN.

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