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Theoretically speaking, the past, present, and future are all occurring in one moment. That is to say, if time travel were to be possible, we should have already seen some time travelers by now from the future.

The only reasons we have yet to see them might be the following:

  1. They successfully got it to work, but fucked up by forgetting that time and space shift (they went back in time, but they died in space since earth was not in the same spot at that time).

  2. Time travel causes you to shift into a different dimension, one that is separate from ours.

  3. Time is a construct of our minds and doesn’t actually exist.

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I always forget about option 1. But even that they would have solved after a couple fuck ups so its not really an option.

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Its quite hard to solve though. You need to pinpoint a survivable location on a tiny speck in the universe as it rotates around a star, while that star hurtles through space at 448000mph, all while the milky way rotates at 130 mps and moves at 1.3 million miles per hour. On top of that you have to factor in the direction of movement, which may be influenced by other celestial bodies moving closer and further as time passes, and the overall heading of the milky way which may be influenced by the gravity of other galaxies and objects, in both large and small ways. The difficulty level of calculating all these factors is already immense, but we would also need to be accurate to an incredible level because even a few inches of error could result in a person traveling halfway into a wall, car, animal, pebble, or any of a myriad of undesirable objects.

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And even if you chose the proper coordinates (don't be off by a millisecond!), you need your velocity to match that of where you appear or you'll be a pancake very quickly.

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Yeah thats all true. But if they can solve time travel they can send back a vehicle to deal with it or something. Its definitely more surmountable than the base challenge of traveling time.

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Here's how reality is structured:

So we live in a timeline, which is like a film reel of static universes, that begins with a singularity, expands until a certain size is reached, then collapses back into a singularity again, our timeline has a "b-side" which is an "anti-timeline" on the opposite side from our own, whereas one is the "positive" and filled with matter and energy and etc., the other half is the "negative", which is comprised of the "anti-" version of everything (for example, "matter" on one side = "anti-matter" on the other).

Now, you may ask the question ""opposite side"? opposite of what?".

The opposite side of the core of our multiverse, like an atom has a nucleus, a solar system has a sun, and an egg has a yolk, our timeline/anti-timeline is structured around a "core" that determines the natural properties of the timelines which surround it, there is one timeline for every possible set of "frames" (configurations of matter/energy) that could occur within the natural properties out multiverse's core imbues them with, there are so many that they essentially form an "eggshell" for the "yolk" that is the core.

It's worth noting that the timelines do not go around it in a circle, but instead in a ellipse, therefore "egg" is a better approximation of the designated shape than "ball", also the furthest points from the core are the singularities, while the closest point's to the core are the "frames" in which our universe has reached it's maximum-size in the timeline and anti-timeline.

There are also a lot of "multiverses" aside from our own, each with their own set of natural laws, and one timeline for every possible sequence of configurations of matter and energy that could occur in them between their universes expanding from a singularity, and collapsing back into one to set off the "anti-" version of the same timeline on it's "b-side".

The sum of all these multiverses is the "omniverse", basically the "master folder", in which we get the first "sub-folder" for "natural properties" (the multiverses, whose properties are determined by their cores), and under them are the "sub-folders" for "set of configurations of matter and energy" (timelines, which are arranged around the core like a shell, and have an ""a-side"/""positive" and "b-side"/"negative" to them)

Just as there is one timeline for every possible sequence of matter/energy configurations, there is also one multiverse for every configuration of natural properties.

So, what about time travel to the past? Well, the multiverse has "one timeline for every possible series of configurations of matter/energy", right? Well, the timelines where people disappear out of the timeline due to travelling to the past and timelines where someone appears due to travelling back from the future, are all present.

This is different from the more anthropocentric version of the "multiverse time traveler", where "travelling to the past creates a new future which diverges from the timeline's past", in that it's TRULY a set of PARALLEL timelines, the timelines never diverge from one another, there's no "branching out", rather, they run in full parallel to each other, from beginning with a singularity, to ending up collapsing back into one, most timelines are going to be mostly identical, with only minor changes near the end of the line.

Also, these timelines are never created, nor destroyed, instead, they are all always existing, fully-formed, from beginning to end, and the time-traveler is merely a experiencing being a part of something he always was a component in.

Basically, time-travel is already incorporated into any multiverse with properties which allows for it. and out multiverse explicitly has properties that permit it to happen.

An infinite number of people, have already made an infinite number of trips into the past, popping out of one timeline, and popping into another.

Also, time travel to the past of one timeline causes whatever is inhabiting the space of the destination to switch places with whatever has set off into that space, thus preventing super-positioning, where two particles occupy the same space at the same size, meaning that if you time travel into a rock, the parts of the rock that you are inserting yourself over will travel to the part of your future to occupy the space that you left open when you left, to an observer of you taking your trip back, it might even appear as if you and your clothes had been petrified.

So you see, there's a reason we never get time travelers showing up to our "welcome back!" parties, because they are attending those parties in another timeline, not ours, from their perspective, they had made it and are enjoying the festivities, from ours, it's just a major letdown where no-one shows up.

Also, the issue of how simply travelling back in time alone has the difficulties of making us show up somewhere in outer space can be overcome with supercomputer calculations which can determine the spot we'd need to show up in, at least close enough to our intended destination that some basic space travel can take us where we need to go before we run out of necessities.

As for method, I suggest we start looking at warp technology, finding ways to mess with the fabric of space-time is the key to finding out the practical question concerning "how" we would accomplish this, first by finding out how to generate the energy and particles that we need, then finding out new answers to the facts regarding making the journey possible, not all of physics is mapped out, it was only relatively recently that we discovered why the sky was dark out at night.

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Hi Trevor. It's me/us from the future. BUY WET WIPES.

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It is quite likely that, if Poal stays up and the internet doesn’t go to shit for the next few centuries, some guy names Trevor will read that and be like “oh shit, I should buy those.”

Ever heard of a time machine capsule? Same concept: put some shit somewhere safe and technically it’s already been found in the future, you just don’t know it yet.

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Take me back to 1933-34 Germany, and do a 'Groundhog Day', every day, forever

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I say start small, and simple. While it would be quite challenging to send an actual person back, it would take a lot less to send back a signal containing information. So, you start with the receiver. The sooner it is built the better, since you can't send anything to it until it is created. One major benefit to this method is that no matter how long it takes to make the transmitter or to gather the required energy to send a signal, it can be set up so that the signal is received all at once. I would assume there would be a need for some entangled particles that can be proven to be manipulated at different instances in order to produce the receiver/transmitter. From the information stage, you have basically created a loop through which you can potentially bootstrap paradox your way to full on, in person time travel.

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Here's how reality is structured:

So we live in a timeline, which is like a film reel of static universes, that begins with a singularity, expands until a certain size is reached, then collapses back into a singularity again, our timeline has a "b-side" which is an "anti-timeline" on the opposite side from our own, whereas one is the "positive" and filled with matter and energy and etc., the other half is the "negative", which is comprised of the "anti-" version of everything (for example, "matter" on one side = "anti-matter" on the other).

Now, you may ask the question ""opposite side"? opposite of what?".

The opposite side of the core of our multiverse, like an atom has a nucleus, a solar system has a sun, and an egg has a yolk, our timeline/anti-timeline is structured around a "core" that determines the natural properties of the timelines which surround it, there is one timeline for every possible set of "frames" (configurations of matter/energy) that could occur within the natural properties out multiverse's core imbues them with, there are so many that they essentially form an "eggshell" for the "yolk" that is the core.

It's worth noting that the timelines do not go around it in a circle, but instead in a ellipse, therefore "egg" is a better approximation of the designated shape than "ball", also the furthest points from the core are the singularities, while the closest point's to the core are the "frames" in which our universe has reached it's maximum-size in the timeline and anti-timeline.

There are also a lot of "multiverses" aside from our own, each with their own set of natural laws, and one timeline for every possible sequence of configurations of matter and energy that could occur in them between their universes expanding from a singularity, and collapsing back into one to set off the "anti-" version of the same timeline on it's "b-side".

The sum of all these multiverses is the "omniverse", basically the "master folder", in which we get the first "sub-folder" for "natural properties" (the multiverses, whose properties are determined by their cores), and under them are the "sub-folders" for "set of configurations of matter and energy" (timelines, which are arranged around the core like a shell, and have an ""a-side"/""positive" and "b-side"/"negative" to them)

Just as there is one timeline for every possible sequence of matter/energy configurations, there is also one multiverse for every configuration of natural properties.

So, what about time travel to the past? Well, the multiverse has "one timeline for every possible series of configurations of matter/energy", right? Well, the timelines where people disappear out of the timeline due to travelling to the past and timelines where someone appears due to travelling back from the future, are all present.

This is different from the more anthropocentric version of the "multiverse time traveler", where "travelling to the past creates a new future which diverges from the timeline's past", in that it's TRULY a set of PARALLEL timelines, the timelines never diverge from one another, there's no "branching out", rather, they run in full parallel to each other, from beginning with a singularity, to ending up collapsing back into one, most timelines are going to be mostly identical, with only minor changes near the end of the line.

Also, these timelines are never created, nor destroyed, instead, they are all always existing, fully-formed, from beginning to end, and the time-traveler is merely a experiencing being a part of something he always was a component in.

Basically, time-travel is already incorporated into any multiverse with properties which allows for it. and out multiverse explicitly has properties that permit it to happen.

An infinite number of people, have already made an infinite number of trips into the past, popping out of one timeline, and popping into another.

Also, time travel to the past of one timeline causes whatever is inhabiting the space of the destination to switch places with whatever has set off into that space, thus preventing super-positioning, where two particles occupy the same space at the same size, meaning that if you time travel into a rock, the parts of the rock that you are inserting yourself over will travel to the part of your future to occupy the space that you left open when you left, to an observer of you taking your trip back, it might even appear as if you and your clothes had been petrified.

So you see, there's a reason we never get time travelers showing up to our "welcome back!" parties, because they are attending those parties in another timeline, not ours, from their perspective, they had made it and are enjoying the festivities, from ours, it's just a major letdown where no-one shows up.

Also, the issue of how simply travelling back in time alone has the difficulties of making us show up somewhere in outer space can be overcome with supercomputer calculations which can determine the spot we'd need to show up in, at least close enough to our intended destination that some basic space travel can take us where we need to go before we run out of necessities.

As for method, I suggest we start looking at warp technology, finding ways to mess with the fabric of space-time is the key to finding out the practical question concerning "how" we would accomplish this, first by finding out how to generate the energy and particles that we need, then finding out new answers to the facts regarding making the journey possible, not all of physics is mapped out, it was only relatively recently that we discovered why the sky was dark out at night.

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ok but if we do, lets come back here and post about it. so we know we figured it out..

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Not gonna be possible, we post back here about how we did it, you aren't going to see it, another you would, in another timeline.

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You know the chance that would have to come into play to get the timing right such that the specific sperm that created you still gets there first? Now apply that across every living being. The fragility of the whole construct regarding the creation of specific people is way beyond what I've ever seen addressed in the nonsensical science fiction on the matter.

(*edit for future participle)

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I'm a time traveler.

I came here in 1981 (through a vaginal time porthole) and now I'm 40 years old.

just wait until you die and you can be transported to something new and different.

but it gets boring or corrupting.

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Time travel is fake and gay. The past happened but doesn't exist. To even talk of travel in time introduces a second time dimension to describe the sequence of events. It's a logical contradiction.

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Why not go forward

We are doing that as we speak, and after we travel to the past, we would resume our usual chronological trajectory.

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You can't go to what hasn't happened yet.

I want to make this a project of ours, figuring out how to unfuck the world by simply going back to before the fuckery began and preventing it from happening.

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You mean earth before primates? Just poison all the monkeys. And by the way, world is okay, people are fucked.

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Wiping out our species isnt a solution to anything because we arent a problem for anything but ourselves. The earth will recover from us and the universe never cared in the first place. Wiping out man solves nothing.