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Covaxin is an inactivated vaccine which means that it is made up of killed coronaviruses, making it safe to be injected into the body.
While this is likely safer than an mRNA vaccine, and would have fewer weird side-effects, that doesn't mean it's safe.
Considering it was probably never tested or approved much like the current human trial experiment
Yeh, but at least it's not fucking up your dna.
Still think flu shots are retarded and wouldn't get them personally though.
And the Epoch times reported the Chinese vax, also an inactivated virus, also has some deaths associated with it.
I would even be fine saying that mrna is safer than covaxin or covaxing is more dangerous than the proposed mrna gene therapies.
I merely object to:
This is not properly tested for safety or efficacy.
mrna is gene therapy, we don't know if the genetic changs are permanent and we have NO CLUE what the consequences are when you start fucking with source code of humanity.
They human genome has about 2 gigs of data stored in a quaternion fashion (not binary like computers). We have all kinds of mechanisms and tiny machines maintaining our dna, controlling replication / duplication / error checking and using the information to build / rebuild / fix our bodies.
If you have ever turned on your computer and felt like "something can go horribly wrong" if you start messing in the file system that you know nothing about, think about this:
Not only do these fucking people not know what mos of our dna codes for and how that code is fully expressed (they have a few ideas, enough to start fucking with shit), THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A BACKUP AND RESTORE SYSTEM FOR THE HUMAN OPERATING SYSTEM.
Let's ignore for the time being that a backup / restore procedure is not restoring the original. A backup of the original just means that you wipe (kill the problematic host) totally and absolutely out of existence and you write out a new copy of the same data replacing the original. In other words, even if we even had a backup/restore capacity for the changes gene therapies induce, would we actually be able to restore the original data back into the same body or would we have to destroy the current body and reprint the whole thing to previous state from backups.
Scared yet?
And, don't think like these peole are fucking with just individuals. Once you make a code / expression of code change in an individual, there is no reversing this shit, you cannot restore the human body from backups. That shit is forever.
BUT!
When you make a change to a single human, YOU ARE INFECTING THE ENTIRE SHARED GENETIC SOURCE CODE FOR ALL OF HUMANITY.
The people that survive with these genetic changes are going to have kids. Those changes will follow them forever. If their lines don't go extinct those changes now get inserted into the entire human species.
The future is NOT only going to be a future where those of usnot gettting gene therapy are excluded from civilization, WE are going to be looking for methodologies to document and EXCLUDE those that have taken gene therapy from all future procreation for those of us that are on this side of the fence. It is entirely plausible to my mind that us non gene therapy people could end up being the GENETIC BACKUP SYSTEM FOR HUMANITY if this shit gets out of hand. And don't think that a single genetic change in 2021 won't have chaotic (butterfly effect, small effect of a butterylies wings causing a hurricane somewhere else on the planet, if you haven't heard of it 5 minute google will explain it) effects on us in the future.
Well, at least that is the science fiction that I tell my self anyway.
But, these aren't vaxxines. These are source code changes to the human shared source code repository. This is going to have far greater ramifications on our species than evolutionary pressures of the past.
Your use of quaternion is incorrect or extremely rare and archaic.
Perhaps you mean quaternary:
That is what I meant. Thanks!
No, mRNA doesn't edit your fucking genome, and I wish people would stop saying that. RNA != DNA, and mRNA doesn't include reverse transcriptase for doing the conversion. It has serious issues; that isn't one of them, and keeping pushing that makes you sound less legitimate.
Read the post again. Nothing of the sort was written, but I appreciate the critique and encourage more critique if you are inclined.
Here is how I would respond to your observation:
You are correct that rna != dna. But, you also know and deliberately leave out that we don't fully understand the following:
dna --> dna experssion machinare --> ?? effects ??
How many branches to these mechanims are tehere? How many logical loopbacks are there? How many branches have indiriect effects on related expression mechanism? How does universal rendomness (happy accidents leading to good / bad / good / bad --> eventually lucky mutations that happen at just the right time in just the right place) happen?
I do not believe for one minute that we fully understand the effects of messing with the machinery that creates / maintains and repairs humans. I am also proposing a perspective that it is not entirely appropriate to make the distinction between dna as pure data storage and rna and other mechanism involved in the expression / repair / duplication of that data as separate entities.
You are right, we aren't messing with dna, but rna. But so what? How do we know there isn't a loopback side effect that will eventually cause mutations in a chain of sedeffects that could affect genetics?
That is just trying to explore the issues from your perspective which is from the inside out, looking at the problem from the perspective of the dna out to the real world.
Let's look at the problem from the perspective of the outside world looking into the genome: epigenetics.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epigenetics
We now know that the human genome is not merely self evolving, we now know that the environment around us can embed information in our genome directly. The environment can change our genome. I'm not a geneticist, feel free to take my perspective appart and show me where I'm wrong, I'm not claiming authority, nor am I claiming any great isnight.
But WE NOW KNOW and have some great examples from studies of isolated genetic groups in the uk and the nordic countries where we can directly point to evidence of epigenetics embedding new information into our genome and those populations passing on the new genetic information to their children.
You are correct my concern is flawed on all sorts of levels of detail, so feel free to add and let's build out the concern into something more accurate and valid.
BUT, as someone that codes in common lisp, a programming language that has HOMOICONICITY + MACROS built into the programming language such that you can write programs that look at them selves and modify their own code in ways that remarkably look like self replicating genetic mechanisms, you start to get frightened by the possible consequences real fucking fast. Yeah, maybe we aren't directly affecting dna. Then again, maybe we are. We are on one level purely dna, but on another level, expression of dna, feedback loops, unexpected consequences, epigenetics ... yeah, when we start messing with this stuff I propose that we are actually messing with the globally shared human source code.
And, yes, I know you will point out that inactivated virus based vaccines could have the same effect. I acknowledge that as well, our genome is full of foreign retroviruses injecting their source code into our genome according to scientists.
I'm just telling one thing, I KNOW THE CONSEQUENCES OF HUMANS FUCKING WITH SOURCE CODE. We are NOT good at it. We have no good tools for this stuff, our brains are not built for this stuff and more importantly, we have no way to back it out.
I guess, I hope that expands a bit on what I said, feel free to chop up anything I said and recombine it into something more accurate. I wouldn't mind hearing your thoughts on this.
If DNA is like code on disk then RNA is like code in RAM. So no, you're not editing your DNA when you poke around with RNA, but it's code nonetheless, and it gets mixed in with your other code. What's your uptime, BTW? When's your next reboot from disk? Does it really matter that mRNA doesn't edit our DNA?
On point.
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