Look at how desperate this scientist is to prove the efficacy of MRNA vacciness

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Look at how desperate this scientist is to prove the efficacy of MRNA vacciness (www.youtube.com)

I think we all have a natural ability to sense bullshit built into our dna. As we gain experience in life, hopefully, we keep on working on making the bullshit testing skill better.

I'm 100% in support of the scientific method and even spirited devotion to an idea or ideology even if it is wrong. Sometimes to find out the limits of an idea you need a kind of zombie devotion to the idea.

But, when watching someone like this scientists push an idea where you neither have expertice nor ever even a hope of understanding or testing anything that they say, we end up in a situation where you have to lean on this natural bullshit sensor to smell out when something might be wrong.

Here is what my bullshit sensor is telling me:

1) TOO MOTIVATED TO BE RIGHT - He seems to be highly motivated in the idea that vaccines work, regardless of vaccine technology and measurements of success.

2) HE TALKS ABOUT MEASUREMENT IN VERY BLACK AND WHITE WAYS - We all know everything in the universe is measure on a spectrum of probability, nothing is black and white. He is way way way too energetic about how sure he is over the efficacy of vaccines and mrna vaccines in particular given that this is the first time they have been deployed.

I trust engineers to be precise in measurement because that is repeatable, but, in complex systems measurement is far far more fuzzy.

3) HE IS LEAVING A LOT OF INFORMATION - Obviously, when communicating verbally it isn't possible to communicated everything. Also, this is a clip, so who knows if he is truly honest.

But, from what I am seeing here is that he is deliberately leaving out a whole set of concerns and potential issues because he has either classified them as "woo" (I do this as well) or doesn't want to bring them into the conversation to give them credence.

Now, it is true that if you put all ideas on the table at once, you cannot have a conversation because the human mind cannot comprehend everythign simultaneously.

But, I don't trust anyone that leaves stuff out of the conversation by default. Someone introduced me to the ratchet effect in another thread and this would be an example of the ratchet effect: if someone like this can convince enough people that he is right by leaving information out, his idea wins and gets to go on to the next round and perhaps win again. Ratcheting up the whole system in favour of his bias versus someone elses.

4) DELIBERATE MISLABELING - mrna vaccines are not vaccines. THEY ARE GENTIC THERAPY. While it is true that semantically you can fuzzy logic your way into re-labeling everything, we do it all the time, the inverse is true as well: if you delibrately use semantics TO NOT FIX mislabeling you are deliberately participating in a misinformation campaign.

I don't trust these mother fuckers. I support vaccines, I am extremely concerned about mrna vaccines because no one knows the long terms effects of this. We are only now starting to find out out the effects of plastics based chemicals on human reproductive systems, who knows what happens when you start fucking aroudn with editing of any part of the human genome structures.

I think we all have a natural ability to sense bullshit built into our dna. As we gain experience in life, hopefully, we keep on working on making the bullshit testing skill better. I'm 100% in support of the scientific method and even spirited devotion to an idea or ideology even if it is wrong. Sometimes to find out the limits of an idea you need a kind of zombie devotion to the idea. But, when watching someone like this scientists push an idea where you neither have expertice nor ever even a hope of understanding or testing anything that they say, we end up in a situation where you have to lean on this natural bullshit sensor to smell out when something might be wrong. Here is what my bullshit sensor is telling me: 1) TOO MOTIVATED TO BE RIGHT - He seems to be highly motivated in the idea that vaccines work, regardless of vaccine technology and measurements of success. 2) HE TALKS ABOUT MEASUREMENT IN VERY BLACK AND WHITE WAYS - We all know everything in the universe is measure on a spectrum of probability, nothing is black and white. He is way way way too energetic about how sure he is over the efficacy of vaccines and mrna vaccines in particular given that this is the first time they have been deployed. I trust engineers to be precise in measurement because that is repeatable, but, in complex systems measurement is far far more fuzzy. 3) HE IS LEAVING A LOT OF INFORMATION - Obviously, when communicating verbally it isn't possible to communicated everything. Also, this is a clip, so who knows if he is truly honest. But, from what I am seeing here is that he is deliberately leaving out a whole set of concerns and potential issues because he has either classified them as "woo" (I do this as well) or doesn't want to bring them into the conversation to give them credence. Now, it is true that if you put all ideas on the table at once, you cannot have a conversation because the human mind cannot comprehend everythign simultaneously. But, I don't trust anyone that leaves stuff out of the conversation by default. Someone introduced me to the ratchet effect in another thread and this would be an example of the ratchet effect: if someone like this can convince enough people that he is right by leaving information out, his idea wins and gets to go on to the next round and perhaps win again. Ratcheting up the whole system in favour of his bias versus someone elses. 4) DELIBERATE MISLABELING - mrna vaccines are not vaccines. THEY ARE GENTIC THERAPY. While it is true that semantically you can fuzzy logic your way into re-labeling everything, we do it all the time, the inverse is true as well: if you delibrately use semantics TO NOT FIX mislabeling you are deliberately participating in a misinformation campaign. I don't trust these mother fuckers. I support vaccines, I am extremely concerned about mrna vaccines because no one knows the long terms effects of this. We are only now starting to find out out the effects of plastics based chemicals on human reproductive systems, who knows what happens when you start fucking aroudn with editing of any part of the human genome structures.

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I want to see hard numbers to know efficacy of it versus a control group beyond any shadow of a doubt, the hard numbers on who are getting side effects, what the specific side effects are, and I want to see the 5 year long term data on all of the above.

Until I have that data, I'm not going to be engaging in a clinical trial as a non-control subject - because that's what this vaccination drive is - the last stage of a clinical trial, where the unvaccinated are the control group.

It is amazing how every single protocol designed for medicine development has been thrown out the window and now we are branded as anti science for requesting the most rudimentary of empirical evidence.

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Most people I've spoken to, to date, when you tell them that you're not going to get this shit, are actually understanding - or have their own misgivings. Not everyone is a "You're an anti-vaxxer, reeeee!" which is great. A lot of it is pushed by media and loud mouthy fuckwits.

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