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Blaming men for the problems with modern medicine is irrational. Claiming that all medicines is bad is irrational. I would personally prefer a midwife and a home birth with the option of going to the hospital in case of an emergency.
It's the shoehorned sexism that I find the most off the rails.
It's clear that hospitals and doctors don't have the patient's best interests in mind when they push so many vaccinations on newborns and spend so much effort to prevent any studies comparing vaccinated to unvaccinated health. But if you follow the trail you will find that women participate in that just as much as men.
I read on here the chainsaw was invented to cut women's bones during birthing because the man doctors wanted to stand comfortable while the woman laid on her back fighting gravity, as opposed to squatting. Doctors are dumb.
Just because a feminist wrote something doesn't mean it's true. Most likely it's not true at all.
The biggest hint is the use of the term "man doctors". If it reads like it was written by an autistic person it's probably not something you should be citing.
Some women go through several hours of labor. If they were forced to squat the whole time instead of given a bed to lay down on you would be claiming that this is oppression of women too. There is no winning with ideologues.
But you go ahead and squat shit a baby onto its head while trying to not pass out and fall over onto it because someone with zero medical training and even less common sense told you it's better.
Yes, put words in my mouth. Read into nothing and assume, then call ME autistic.
You’re used to working within a specific ideological dialogue, that I’m not pushing.
Glad you talked yourself into winning the argument with all those feminazi talking points.
Good work, fren.
I can blame men for what they did before anyone else got into the industry.
Being a white female, this is the only thing I hold against my own men. Do I blame my brother on this, though? No, but I’ve made it abundantly clear that white males trespassed against us severely by entering into the world of pregnancy and childbirth.
A poor white female would have better outcomes with a midwife than a rich white female who had money for a doctor 100 years ago.
The HORROR of giving birth - well maybe it’s always been a horror. When you read about how men would go work with corpses, not wash their hands, and then go deliver a baby only for that mother to die within a week... Or how women in the 50’s were drugged and went psychotic while they endured painful births while being strapped to the bed only to wake up the next day and remember nothing. (Happened to my best friends mom).
Antibiotics and transfusions.
That’s what helped reduced mortality rates in childbirth.
By the 1950’s most women gave birth in hospitals.
What a shit show. It’s no ones fault and everyone’s fault. I had my daughter in a hospital. Strapped to 3 devices, on my back, ended up with a c-section when it was my scheduled time. My friend, she pushed - tore her vagina apart because she wasn’t coached on preparing it for labor. She endured years of physical therapy to regain normal functioning, and may never have sex again.
Midwives should have never been relegated. That was shoehorned sexism.
You just hate men that is why it comes so easy to blame them at the drop of a hat without any thought. So you hear all these nasty things from feminists and just accept them as true.
If your friend was not "prepared" for birth in the age of information, after spending months at home with nothing to do, perhaps she holds some fault with that too. And assuming that a midwife would have made a difference is pure bias.
Yes, the olden times were barbaric and no the midwives were not better. You just dont hear about the midwives who fed the pigs, then delivered a baby without washing up and killed the mother. The reality is that hospitals reduced the mortality of mothers and children at birth.
Blaming men for the hardships endured due to human ignorance is retarded. Women certainly didn't know any better either.
I’m proud of my men. Again, you’re making assumptions about me that aren’t true. Putting words in MY mouth when I have only given you FACTS.
Who said my friend had nothing to do?
Maybe you’re the one with the problem - thinking everyone blames white men for everything, therefore it means there is actually nothing that they should be blamed for.
White men intruding upon their women’s birthing process WAS horrendous - the invention of antibiotics and blood transfusions were the inventions that changed everything.
Do you realize that you probably blame white women for doing many, many things you find distasteful, YET you have a problem admitting that getting into the realm of childbirth has hurt us in profound ways?
How many white women have babies these days? How many white women have more than 2 babies?
I understand white men aren’t in charge anymore, but DO YOU THINK that there COULD BE a direct correlation between:
Men entering the realm of childbirth AND birth rates going down?
Just MAYBE?
Continue to blame women and DO please continue to tell ME that I blame MY men for everything. Idiot. I have men in my family that I love dearly, and I don’t hang this over their heads, as they’re working men who were BORN of women that have gone through the birthing system. I have talked CANDIDLY to them of THIS ONE TRESPASS, and how damaging it was for us.
This isn’t feminist rhetoric. I am a woman, with two pregnancies under my belt and possibly being pregnant at the moment.
To not be able to TRUST MY WHITE MALE OBGYN for all the information I needed for my second pregnancy was a slap in the face. Do I blame him for being male - no! But I am very disenfranchised with the medical establishment in regard to CHILDBIRTH.
If you can go around blaming women for things, you can certain blame men for this. It’s the ONLY thing I will ever hold against my men. And you realize, they suffered for it as well. As do their wives and daughters. The system is too big and out of our control now. Only individual families can make the proper decisions (if they’re informed) to save their integrity in childbirth.
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