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Link to the study: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2016237/

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Even though it's a radical opinion. People with personality disorders are still people. Wouldn't it be awesome if we could cure personality disorders? It would help our entire society have stronger families, more productive workplaces, and less crazy people in politics.

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The mistake you’re making is assuming that psychotherapy/psychiatry is a real medical discipline or objective science. It isnt. Its a religion. Basically shamanism.

You might just as well ask “Wouldn’t it be great is we eliminated all sinful behavior?” Im sure many christians hoped to establish a utopian society this way in the past.

Its a will o the wisp. Determination of “pathological behavior” isnt objective. It depends on the values of the society. People that violate social norms or even people that experience a lack of success in society are deemed to suffer from some personality disorder or autism or Depression. None of these “conditions” can be explained well as a physiological disease. Most of this shit is just normal variation within a population.

For example blacks have a high rate of psychopathy/sociopathy on these tests. How can you “cure” this? You cant without eugenic intervention. Which causes as many problems as it solves.

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I agree that psychology is not always based in science. a lot of people suffer because they were misdiagnosed via pseudoscience tradition. Clinical psychology is based in science. Truth is that we don't have cures to mental health issues because we've allowed pseudoscience to exist. The more we demand quantitative data for mental health the more pressure they'll feel to innovate and fix.-hopefully-

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a lot of people suffer because they were misdiagnosed via pseudoscience tradition.

Agree

Clinical psychology is based in science

Don’t agree. Its religion with a sprinkling of science on top, to make people feel “educated” and “modern” for following it.

They don’t have cures for mental health because they don’t begin to understand how the brain works or how it might “go wrong,” arising in these large buckets of diagnoses like depression or autism or addiction. No one can resolve any of this theory of personality shit in therapy with the chemical imbalance paradigm of psychiatry, or anything in neurology.

Clinical psychology and psychiatry never cure anyone. Ever. Psychology has certainly never helped anyone more than going to a church or temple. No profoundly disturbed person ever really benefits from therapy. Only people with mild issues ever claim psychology fixed them, because of placebo effect— these are people that would solve their own problems anyway. I know as many people that say jesus helped them turn their life around as therapy. Because it isnt medicine or science. Its a faith. Its systematic. But so is the christian science of salvation. Clinical psychology is nothing but bullshit constructs. And if it doesn’t work, its the patient’s fault for not trying hard enough, for not utilizing techniques. Medicine.

How many dimensions of personality? 5? Why not 4 or 6? Its silliness.

I say this as someone who desperately want to believe the people who assured me they could help me improve my life. But its lies. LIES, LIES, LIES. I will shout it from the hilltops to anyone that will listen. I wouldnt have been any worse off if I’d joined a cult.

The religion of psychology rewards— sanctifies— dysfunction. Incentivizes pathology. Gives medals for failure. Psychology is key to understanding why our culture is falling apart. Psychology is to blame for the belief in some magical essence called gender which is definitely non-binary and varies independent of sex!

It’s science goy

Nope.

The more we demand quantitative data for mental health the more pressure they'll feel to innovate and fix.-hopefully-

All I hear is “let’s sprinkle more science on top”. Unless you completely chuck all but the strictest behavioralist approach, its nonsense to quantify this. Its like trying to quantify somebody’s karma. Its useless.

I could go on. I havent even started on psychopharmacology. But Ill spare you. As you can see, I have a rather strong opinion on this subject. I sense you may somewhat invested in the issue. I was once too.