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It is always healthy to ponder new perspectives, even if we reject them. We are all so programmed, it is very hard to tell what is real. I've contemplated this a lot.

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That is actually quite impressive. Most can't seem to admit it.

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If it's not aired worldwide on tv, literally hammered on everybody for a year... No matter how scientifically sound the presented demonstration is, nobody's going to buy it because that's shit from the internet and if it was true it would be news... On TV

Even health professionals, very few can actually understand every bit of this report/demonstration, those with a background in virology

And I'm pretty sure a huge chunk of virologists would still maintain all this is fake, either because they are paid to do so or because they have no idea about what they are doing, they just gobbled everything they've been taught like gospel, regurgitate it, and got away with it by performing mostly administrative tasks on a daily basis for a living. Suckers and trained smart monkeys exist in every fields

Imagine; not only the very basis of everything you've been taught is wrong (implying you need to go back to school ultimately) but you didn't even notice it... Which implies that you don't really understand the very basic stuffs about which you're supposed to be a specialist...

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So now imagine me, a nobody when it comes to virology, approaching anybody with that piece, and telling them that, science is settled, highest court and shit, measles virus doesn't exist... They don't get how viruses work to begin with and that's like I'm telling them reality doesn't exist. And now imagine the debate against one of the dumb ass virologist or medic mentioned above... I would get gaslighted to death in about 2 secs with a wall of medical concepts I don't fully grasp or never heard of, I would get rekt

Eventually the only thing I can do that might work, is to leave them with the full doc in printed version and goodbye, mrX style https://youtu.be/MoOvZ572vXA?t=199

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And of course once they type his name in a search engine this is the first entry they get https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV/AIDS_denialism

>From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (Redirected from Stefan Lanka)

Awesome...

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Stefan_Lanka&redirect=no

>From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

>Redirect page

>Jump to navigationJump to search

>HIV/AIDS denialism

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That's all there's about the guy

Great

http://www.integralworld.net/visser175.html

>Stefan Lanka, a molecular biologist by training, did his doctoral thesis and subsequent PhD—irony of ironies—on the viral infection in brown algae, but other than a few co-written articles he hasn't contributed anything in terms of scientific publications. Rather, he has been on a crusade against the idea of viruses (harmful or otherwise) for decades. In the nineties he argued that HIV did not exist. He vehemently debated with Peter Duesberg, another AIDS denialist, who at least believed in the existence of the HIV virus (but considered it a relatively harmless virus). A truly odd debate. A decade later Lanka wrote books in the same denialist spirit about the measles virus, the birds flue, AIDS and vaccination. He is owner of a publishing house Klein-klein Verlag and the magazin Wissenschaftplus. In 2015 he earned the "Goldenes Brett vorm Kopf" award, organized by the German skeptical society, which is given out for the "most amazing pseudo-scientific nonsense" of the year.

lol

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Thanks for the additional informations!

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Problem is the same in computing, when some obscure guy said for years "this way to do things is the best, this way is absolute crap" but both ways work and the absolute crap way of doing things ends up dominating the market because reason

How many people can tell who's right technically and why?

Very few. And how many can understand those? As few if not fewer lol

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How many people can demonstrate the earth is round? Like really, demonstrate it scientifically, and in a way that is accessible to normies, don't show me your garbage collection of cgi pics and movies from "NASA"...

Few people

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Granted computering is full of shit that should've been flushed a long time ago. Many people get so used to shit, they don't realize it is shit.

I've seen ships sail away and go down over the horizon. Does that count?

Also, the earth being round and the solar system model is a very simple explanation for observed sun, moon, planet and star behavoir. Are you seriously arguing the earth is flat?

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Belief is from the anglo-saxon root word "lief" which means to wish. Think about that... People sure have a lot of wishes, but little to no actual knowledge.

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Ultimately "everything" is based on belief

Everybody believes the sun will shine tomorrow for instance

But how do you know it will? You don't. After all some unforeseen cosmic bug could put an absolute end to the sun. Needless to mention that one could get shot before the next day and for that person the sun will never shine again. That's slightly out of topic, while still remaining a technically valid example. But I digress

So, everybody believes that the sun will shine tomorrow because the odds that the sun gets swallowed by a sudden breach in the spacetime fabric, a surprise black hole or whatever, are extremely low, quasi null, but not null

So it's a matter of odds in the end, it's a bet, it's belief. An educated guess at best.

And that's just one example

You have the people accumulating money for their retirement. Same deal, they believe one day they'll need it. Just like pretty much any random employee in the WTC right before impact. What were the odds of dying of an airliner in the face at your workplace right between to the coffee machine and the photocopier? Extremely low. But it only needs to happen once.

Yeah, belief is at the core of pretty much everything the mind relies on, for lack of better option

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Actually what you described is "faith."

I have faith that the sun will shine tomorrow. I don't believe it.

Faith is trust. It's also accepting what is true, regardless of what I want to be true. Belief on the other hand...

And in any case, I'd prefer to discuss this topic of 'beliefs' and not to go off on a tangent.

edit: Also, how much of what you believe is actually rooted in knowledge and has empirical evidence? Or do you just give the benefit of the doubt based on credentials?

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If any of you actually try to read this garbage, you will get to the point where the author states viruses aren't real just like space, planets, and moons aren't real.

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Unless you consider that we live in a simulation.

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It isn't a simulation of a flat earth.

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Prove it!

Edit: lol someone didn't get the joke.