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"A church that has a long history of doing evil against nonbelievers and controlling its followers through fear, guilt, and the imposition of a specific belief system from which they must not waver headed by popes promoting the very agenda you say you oppose? It makes no sense"

> "A church that has a long history of doing evil against nonbelievers and controlling its followers through fear, guilt, and the imposition of a specific belief system from which they must not waver headed by popes promoting the very agenda you say you oppose? It makes no sense"

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Even Jesus had a Judas in the followers, showing us the way forward even though some may bring shame and try to destroy. What must not be lost is that Jesus did establish His Church. The 'what about this and that'-ism doesn't work as an argument against the frail men and women who sin. The journey of the convert is to go home to Christ.