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I don't know how anyone could believe in god when this kind of stuff happens.

I don't know how anyone could believe in god when this kind of stuff happens.

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Utter sophistry.

I believe in original sin, and how suffering is the result of man’s decision to choose evil over good from the beginning. So, this scenario falls perfectly in line with that.

If one player breaks the rule in a team sport game, is the rule maker or the judge to blame when the whole team suffers a penalty for it? Obviously, we would blame the team member who broke the rule in the first place.

There was a promise that there would be death as a result of sin. This is the long term effect. Be unhappy about it all you like, but it doesn’t invalidate the existence of even the most benevolent of creators.

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There is no argument that can support the existence of a "benevolent" and "loving" god in the face of thing like this.

You can try to convince yourself that somehow the 2yo had it coming, that your god is still perfect. But at the very least you have to recognise why some of us will never be able to reconcile those facts.

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The two year old didn’t “have it coming.” It’s man’s fault that there is death and suffering, not God’s.

The argument blaming God for tragedies is like saying a spoon manufacturer is responsible for childhood obesity.

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Unless everything that happens is by your god's will, doesn't it?

One difference between a decent person and your god. A decent person would have helped if they could. I'm sure you would, that makes you morally superior to your god.

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More silliness. I am not blaming your god for the tragedy. I am blaming him for not doing anything to save a poor innocent child from suffering terribly and starving to death. What is he doing anyway? What could possibly be taking up his time that he cannot help suffering children? People pray that their football team wins and give god the credit when they get a touchdown. Is that his bag? Pandering to sports teams around the planet? To busy to help a suffering child?

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This isn't about God it's about a failure of the people in the victim's family and the neighbors and whomever else knew these two people and never bothered to check in on them. That poor child had to have cried- no one heard? People die alone and are left all the time and it's always a tragedy. This is a bell weather: if you know anyone that lives alone and you haven't seen them- check up on them even if it's just to say "checking in to see how you're doing".

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I agree somewhat but I think they lived alone and there was no one around to hear the child. I disagree that it's not about god though, it most certainly is. If there were a "caring and loving" god that would "never" desert you then he could have easily intervened. Maybe just nudge a family member to go over for coffee, whatever, anything, something. It is proof that god does not exist.

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It's proof that humanity fails.

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A religious person usually believes that true justice happens after death, so I don't think bad things happening in life will have too much of an effect on faith.

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No. Not really the root. A common corruption of Christianity is that God controls every single aspect of every single person's life. Which is obviously false as we are provided free will. Thus part of the jealousy of the angels. The bible itself says we are to pray and do on our own based upon his teachings. Good things happen. Bad things happen. Not because God chose to do so. But because good and bad things happen as part of the natural world in which we live. It's a cop out to attribute everything to God's and Satan's will.

Beyond this, lessons are to be learned from the resulting butterfly effect. Both good and bad. We are here to learn and expose the truth as revealed to mankind. Not to be puppets of a spiteful puppet master god. The later of which is very much Satan's deception and that of his chosen people (children of Satan).

This isn't to say ultimate justice doesn't come after. But Jews have played many tricks on people to shade their view of reality such that they turn away from God. The bible itself declares Satan (the adversary, the enemy, of mankind (not humans)) has deceived the entire world. You can look out your window and confirm that.

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I am not saying that if there were a god that he would control every aspect of every humans life. What I am saying is that if there were a "caring and loving" god that would "never" desert you then he could have easily intervened. Maybe just nudge a family member to go over for coffee, whatever, anything, something. It is proof that god does not exist. Not controlling, but maybe taking a moment to intervene when a innocent child is suffering and starving to death. A moment, what else is he doing? Seriously, what is your god doing when babies are getting raped and beaten and starving to death? What is so important that he can't help a suffering child?

Hopefully that didn't come off to argumentative, I don't mean it that way. In my youth I was very religious, I left the faith when I realized how silly it all is by witnessing the pain and suffering of the innocent in the world.

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Did you read the article? What justice do you suppose this 2 year old had coming after starving to death?

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Did you read the article?

I think this is a bit argumentative?

What justice do you suppose this 2 year old had coming after starving to death?

I'm an atheist. Unfortunately I don't think he got justice. But if I was a believer I don't think it would be too hard (I'm not trying to declare you stupid) to imagine. 100+ meaningful, insightful and wonderful lifetimes in Heaven or something like that. The first of those lifetimes is a copy of his original life except his father didn't die.

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Sorry, didn't mean to sound argumentative. Just how I feel. Also, I feel like your latest response is silly, wishful thinking.

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now, what God ? you have plenty to choose, including satan, if you so wish

Jesus said, if you believe in me you will have eternal life ... and .... his parables are nothing weird, no killing of children or weird stuff

put your talents to use, be fair and honest

Today, my prayer is: Please, Jesus, get us rid of liars and hypocrites

so, .... you have your chance and a 50% probability of afterlife being real

there is no hurry, we all will discover the truth, in due time

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silliness

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maybe, it is your life, not mine

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God gave us the rules to live by, we have free will to live by those rules or not. Like your dad says dont drive the car too fast at night, then you decide to anyway, then blow a curve and wreck. Is that your dads fault?

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What a silly ass response. Always with the free will nonsense. If there were a "caring and loving" god that would "never" desert you then he could have easily intervened. You think that would interfere with the poor kids free will? Garbage. Maybe just nudge a family member to go over for coffee, whatever, anything, something. It is proof that god does not exist.

And since you asked about my kids, I'll give you a good answer. I have told them (grand kids now) not to touch the wood stove many times. If one gets too close to it I tell them again. If one happens to touch it and get burned I don't just stand by and watch, I don't let them suffer. Because I am a good father (grand father now) and that is what GOOD FATHERS do.

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Im sorry you dont like my response, were you wanting me to agree with you? Do you believe in Satan?

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lol, no, I don't expect nor do I try to talk people out of their religious beliefs. There are over 200 "gods" worshiped all around the world, I only believe in one less than you do. No, I do not believe in satan, before you say it I already know, the devils greatest trick. More nonsense.

I don't try to talk people out of religion because I am a firm believer that humanity needs religion. There are too many people out there with no moral compass who are incapable of living a good honest life without the fear of reprisal from their god. I don't have that faith so I go out of my way to do good, to be honest, to help others when they need help. I don't steal or cheat or lie.