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>Spot on! I completely agree. It's as if they want you to behave like you are in your heavenly / translated body while on earth.>>

Well, actually, rather than simply accepting the work of the Holy Spirit to write God's laws in our heart's we are expected to perfect ourselves. My Grandfather was a great believer in self perfection and claimed he no longer sinned if indeed he gad ever done so. He claimed he'd never even been tempted by alcohol drugs or tobacco, which I'm sure was true. As for other commandments he was sure he had broken none. My comment? >>Then obviously you don't need Jesus>>

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What do make of Jesus saying this? Matt 19:21 Jesus said to him, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell what you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.”

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The problem was the man's selfish ambitions over rode the the second commandment. So he didn't actively harm his fellows as he saw it but he had a form of Godliness buy no love of others. He went away troubled having failed to see into his own heart the lack of love for other people. His first love was himself and money rather than loving God and regarding others as equally deserving of love and compassion as himself. He broke the second law and by extension the first. Self interest was his primary interest.