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It's for the photo-op. Probably to be used in recruitment drives...

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"The bold" (shows man wearing huge fake boobs)

"The brave" (the camera pans to the right to fully show a fat woman with short blue and purple hair in a bikini)

"The winning team" (shows men dressed as women completely dominating against women in a variety of sports)

"Take on modern day threats" (show reddit page with comments going on for days about the ballon that needs to be shot down because it is white)

"With modern day solutions" (show a butch dyke with a controller in her hands, then a screen showing the sidewinder exploding on contact with the balloon, then back to the lezbo who pumps her fist and smiles, and completely ignores that they just passed off someone controlling a missile with an Xbox controller)

"Join the Army" (show a bunch of wimps standing there who all cross their arms at once, and act tough like we're supposed to ignore what they look like and somehow be inspired to join)

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chalk this up for the audit... don't hold your breath

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They'll fail that audit, too. It'd be the 4th in a row. The wise thing is to send the bill to China along with the cost of rhe muster and of the sortie. We all know this will not happen under this administration since it is owned by China as it stands.

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It is possible that they were doing tests with those missiles anyway and used the balloon in place of a mock target. But then again, I don’t give them that much credit generally

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The F-22 is equipped with the M61A2 20mm cannon. That would have been a damn sight cheaper than using the AIM rocket.

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The 20mm cannon ejects brass shell casings. That and the projectiles will eventually fall back to Earth, somewhere...

I think most modern fighters capture their spent casings. I believe the ammunition self-destructs after a certain distance as well.

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According to the reports I saw, they were already over the ocean. Which means they don't plan on recovering it.

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Well, you need to destroy the evidence.

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Why do they cost so God damn much?

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Classified technology requiring specialized contractors who gladly soak up the government's defense budget. Basically corruption and greed

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Whatever they would destroy, with rare exceptions such as this one, costs 20-50 times as much, easily. Whatever they would launch from is 50-100 times as much. You don't cut corners in that calculus.

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Anyone know how much of the continent this 'balloon' flew across (while capturing images, data and telemetry). did it come across from Canuckistan ?/

And how was it a large object flying at low earth orbit or whatever managed to even get to the states without no-one noticing and it pinging off any number of Norad/ and airport atc radar / air defenses ?/.\

i call the entire thing a fcking smokescreen kabuki theatre nonsense for all the useless eaters and breeders to jerk off with around the water cooler.

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People saying to use a gun don't really know what they are talking about.

The service ceiling of the F22 is reported at 65K feet, it's equipped with a 20mm Vulcan cannon, which the spec sheet designates for use within 2,000 feet, best estimate for maximum "effective" range is a few thousand feet more than that, horizontally mind you. That means if the balloon were over 70K feet no gun on this planet let alone US service could have touched it. Not even the most advanced rail guns could shoot that high

The next part of this discussion is missile talk which becomes a sketchy conversation quickly when you realize manufacturers and the governments buying these arms have every reason to lie to the public about their capabilities to some degree, but I doubt the degree of number fudging could possibly exceed 40%. new sidewinders can supposedly travel 20 miles on a target lock, BUT, that's horizontally and fired from a optimal speed position in the air, fired straight up and the efficiency for a missile rapidly collapses just like a bullet, so no surface to air or even safe cruising altitude combat jets could likely reach the balloon with a missile if it were at the upper range of height our military claimed(80Kft+).

Knowing the capability of missiles is sort of fucked, they want civies and foreign nations to know fuck all about technical details like vertical range versus horizontal range, if I were a rocket scientist I could give you a better answer but I'm not, I know bullets and I know most of the range in the max range on the longest range kinetic weapons is based on the fact that they are falling for half or more of their flight time and therefore range is really based on arcs and falling with style, going straight up a typical bullet loses about 50% of it's reach. With missiles you need to multiply the weight of your fuel by something like 4-6 for every time you want to double your vertical reach meaning real ICBMS resemble challenger mission rockets in scale.

For context on scale, railguns or artillery pieces shouldn't be able to reach commercial flights at roughly 30K feet, most light arms, like anything firing an intermediate riffle round like 5.56 or 7.62x39, can't even reach the bottom of a blackhawk helicopter at cruising height.

The options to take down the balloon were call elon musk and waste a rocket, find an old minuteman reaching it's expiration that isn't on the maintenance list and hope the balloon get's low enough near it(It seems they did this and failed the evening before) or scramble your best high altitude fighter, stall that bitch past the top of safe operations and fire a missile at it, and hope the guidance fins and and other systems don't malfunction under these untested conditions (that's exactly what happened as evidenced by the curvature of vapor trails and their disappearance). scrambling a jet with a kill mission is wildly expensive, a missile on the verge of retirement could be more financially sound and option

Recognizing the chinks made a neat balloon that we should capture and it might be boobytrapped or thorium powered means we shouldn't pop it over the land. The carriage not being horizontal indicates it took damage, the holding pattern over canada after the bad storm about a month ago ahead of Christmas likely snapped some chinesium support wires holding up the carriage and it's movement became limited, likely lacking the power to meaningfully fly against the wind as the main thrusters(or the like) lost the optimum angle for propulsion, meaning it got trapped in the wind currents and did its best to plot a course over known US installations. Some kikes are claiming we blocked outgoing transmissions from the spy balloon but I really doubt that on my understanding of those physics as well.

A final visual lesson, from a man about to fall asleep in his chair, imagine pouring a bath into your bathtub, then imagine dropping a pill bug to the bottom of that water, the bathwater represents the atmosphere, the pill bug represents the effective range of any light arms.

Service ceiling just means the altitude to regularly use it at. The F-15 has a service ceiling of about 65,000 feet as well. The record altitude achieved with an F-15 is 103,000 feet, set in 1975. Newer F-15s have better, more powerful engines.

It could totally have been taken down with a gun.

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Depends on the altitude of the balloon. Above a certain altitude it becomes a bitch to gun it down. And technically, above 50,000 ft you should be wearing a pressurized suit (because your blood will "boil" if you have to eject and hypoxia is very rapid). So it would be smarter to shoot it down with a missile. A heat seeker to go after the balloon rather than the equipment.

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Don't worry they have an unlimited supply of taxpayer credit.

Ukraine?