BMW installs seat heaters in all its cars and charges you for the whole car BUT if you want to use it you have to pay them 18 bucks a month to get them to turn on the software so the switch will work.

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I hope this fails miserably. If subscription based car features ever become mainstream, we can all thank the idiot BMW drivers who made it possible.

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If you can afford a BMW $18 isn't shit to you and if you can drop in and out of the subscription, you wouldn't be subscribed during months where you don't use it, further reducing the cost. The real test will be when it gets to mass market auto producers for the 15-35k vehicle price point.

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When Jews run things.

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I think I read Toyota was doing the same thing with remote start.

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Yes they did. I tried to subscribe during the free trail period but the smart app sucked! It required you to allow them to send you push messages and to monitor all your car's telemetry. If you disabled anything, nothing worked. The car annoyed me constantly telling me, "your car started", "your car stopped", "your car is now at....", it's time for service, your windows are up/down.

I couldn't fucking stand it so I had to literally call Toyota and ask them to revoke all the permissions I gave them and to cancel the service. If only the app simply started the car remotely, I may have paid. No, you got so much more than you ever wanted.

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And they're still recording your car's telemetry in the background.

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Yea, very likely, but I withdrew my permission to do it, in any event.

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The Industrial Revolution and It's Consequences Have Been A Disaster For The Human Race

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Same shit with the Tesla. My buddy bought one and in order to “unlock” certain features you pay Tesla for software/firmware updates even though all of the hardware is included. I think he mentioned he had to pay extra for increased acceleration and also rapid battery charge.

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What's even worse, you pay Tesla to turn on all the features you want. Later, you sell the car thinking the new owner can enjoy all the features you bought and paid for.... woa! Nope all the enabled features you bought are disabled so the next owner can buy them all over again.

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I think it's clear that I will never buy a modern car again.

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Retarded!

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Farts are warmer

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well, bmw has created another stupid tax. I hope the stupid people pay it and their dollars are quickly removed from their hands.

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I don't like heated seats. I was a passenger the first time I experienced them. My first thought was, oh shit, I just pissed myself...

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BMW is so overrated.

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Every single BMW and Merc here has an oil spot under them. Not a single Toyota or Honda do. I see the BMW and Merc drivers often in dealer loaners for some reason.

I don't see what is so amazing about them, they don't have any performance gains over the competition, their interiors are German garbage minimalism with a dash of lacking any aesthetics and so forth. I mean, if the German garbage aesthetics were exchanged for pragmatic reasons I would understand but nothing is even pragmatic about the interior design. I have seen the quotes for just regular maintenance on those things and holy shit, they aren't even in the ballpark of reasonable compared to what the local Korean that just started his shop and is hungry for customers can do (literally 1/4 of the price). Just to give you an example, for break changes BMW replaces not just the pads but the fucking rotors! They won't even consider sending the rotors out to be ground to get their quotes down and OF COURSE all the parts they sell you are BMW brand parts which are way more expensive than they should be in comparison to off brand parts that are rated just as high quality.

I don't drive any of the above and I don't fanboy over any particular brand. All the north american stuff is trash as is the rest of the industry. However, learning about Honda and Toyota quality over the last few years by watching Scotty Kilmer has been really interesting.

People who say BMW and Mercs are amazing cars don't seem to know much about cars. I get the sense that it is all about the status of driving one.

This is the same thing with Teslas. Every single owner I know raves about them and every single week one tells me I should get one. I try to explain to them that recharge times are not acceptable, that the battery life is too short, that i don't want to wait 20 minutes in random bullshit charge stations just to top up so I could get home, that I cannot recharge every other block to 100% if I wanted to like with gas or diesel and they just go "but, it's got what you crave, electrolytes!".

With that being said, I don't agree with Scotty Kilmers purely practical approach. I don't get what the point is of driving a reliable car if it is ugly. But, the bottom line with BMW and Mercs is that they are basically piles of garbage in virtually every metric of quality and if they built them right working class would be able to afford the operating costs.

Every single BMW and Merc here has an oil spot under them. Not a single Toyota or Honda do. I see the BMW and Merc drivers often in dealer loaners for some reason. I don't see what is so amazing about them, they don't have any performance gains over the competition, their interiors are German garbage minimalism with a dash of lacking any aesthetics and so forth. I mean, if the German garbage aesthetics were exchanged for pragmatic reasons I would understand but nothing is even pragmatic about the interior design. I have seen the quotes for just regular maintenance on those things and holy shit, they aren't even in the ballpark of reasonable compared to what the local Korean that just started his shop and is hungry for customers can do (literally 1/4 of the price). Just to give you an example, for break changes BMW replaces not just the pads but the fucking rotors! They won't even consider sending the rotors out to be ground to get their quotes down and OF COURSE all the parts they sell you are BMW brand parts which are way more expensive than they should be in comparison to off brand parts that are rated just as high quality. I don't drive any of the above and I don't fanboy over any particular brand. All the north american stuff is trash as is the rest of the industry. However, learning about Honda and Toyota quality over the last few years by watching Scotty Kilmer has been really interesting. People who say BMW and Mercs are amazing cars don't seem to know much about cars. I get the sense that it is all about the status of driving one. This is the same thing with Teslas. Every single owner I know raves about them and every single week one tells me I should get one. I try to explain to them that recharge times are not acceptable, that the battery life is too short, that i don't want to wait 20 minutes in random bullshit charge stations just to top up so I could get home, that I cannot recharge every other block to 100% if I wanted to like with gas or diesel and they just go "but, it's got what you crave, electrolytes!". With that being said, I don't agree with Scotty Kilmers purely practical approach. I don't get what the point is of driving a reliable car if it is ugly. But, the bottom line with BMW and Mercs is that they are basically piles of garbage in virtually every metric of quality and if they built them right working class would be able to afford the operating costs.

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This too shall be hacked.

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