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Casually discussing the monkeypox fiasco with a coworker, when another coworker walks up and gets involved in the discussion. She eventually steers the conversation toward abortion with the statement, "Kids wouldn't be getting hurt if Biden wasn't forcing us to have them."

Naturally this launches a debate. First I correct her on the Biden detail, then I state my pro-life position. Woman was utterly mortified and jumps into the rape cases and mother-endangering arguments. I acknowledge her concerns and explain that those are the rare and unfortunate cases, and that most women advocating for abortion perhaps need to just stop having sex (pissed her right off lol). She tells me men need to stop jacking off and killing kids that way, I say those aren't kids, she says fetuses aren't kids, yadda yadda. Usual abortion arguments. I had to stop arguing with her, my efforts seemed futile.

How do I get through to someone like this? She doesn't even hear herself deny the fetus is a life and proceed to say she'd kill her next pregnancy if it happened.

Left out some of the specifics of the debate, this isn't a play-by-play post.

Casually discussing the monkeypox fiasco with a coworker, when another coworker walks up and gets involved in the discussion. She eventually steers the conversation toward abortion with the statement, "Kids wouldn't be getting hurt if Biden wasn't forcing us to have them." Naturally this launches a debate. First I correct her on the Biden detail, then I state my pro-life position. Woman was utterly mortified and jumps into the rape cases and mother-endangering arguments. I acknowledge her concerns and explain that those are the rare and unfortunate cases, and that most women advocating for abortion perhaps need to just stop having sex (pissed her right off lol). She tells me men need to stop jacking off and killing kids that way, I say those aren't kids, she says fetuses aren't kids, yadda yadda. Usual abortion arguments. I had to stop arguing with her, my efforts seemed futile. How do I get through to someone like this? She doesn't even hear herself deny the fetus is a life and proceed to say she'd ***kill*** her next pregnancy if it happened. Left out some of the specifics of the debate, this isn't a play-by-play post.

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A fetus is principally viable due to its complete human chromosome, a sperm is only half, wasting sperm cannot be compared to killing a fetus, sperm cells are not limited by anything other than a heart beat and intact testes, eggs are time limited, they are finite and degrade over time. Sperm degrade thousands of times faster and are replaced quickly and regular ejaculation is healthy for a man's reproductive health.

Point, counterpoint on masturbation: the religipis example of masturbation as immoral is removed from context, a son of judah spilled his seed on the ground and was struck by lightning, he wasn't masturbating though, he was commanded by God to impregnate his dread brother's widow, that her son inherit her dead husband's portion of their father's inheritance. He fucked her and pulled out and nutted on the dirt in their tent. He directly disobeyed God and dishonored his sister in law. Counterpoint, excessive masturbation and even ejaculation will drain you of your male vitality and the science and countless examples demonstrate this, porn addiction will damage your brain and mind.