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Casually discussing the monkeypox fiasco with a coworker, when another coworker walks up and gets involved in the discussion. She eventually steers the conversation toward abortion with the statement, "Kids wouldn't be getting hurt if Biden wasn't forcing us to have them."

Naturally this launches a debate. First I correct her on the Biden detail, then I state my pro-life position. Woman was utterly mortified and jumps into the rape cases and mother-endangering arguments. I acknowledge her concerns and explain that those are the rare and unfortunate cases, and that most women advocating for abortion perhaps need to just stop having sex (pissed her right off lol). She tells me men need to stop jacking off and killing kids that way, I say those aren't kids, she says fetuses aren't kids, yadda yadda. Usual abortion arguments. I had to stop arguing with her, my efforts seemed futile.

How do I get through to someone like this? She doesn't even hear herself deny the fetus is a life and proceed to say she'd kill her next pregnancy if it happened.

Left out some of the specifics of the debate, this isn't a play-by-play post.

Casually discussing the monkeypox fiasco with a coworker, when another coworker walks up and gets involved in the discussion. She eventually steers the conversation toward abortion with the statement, "Kids wouldn't be getting hurt if Biden wasn't forcing us to have them." Naturally this launches a debate. First I correct her on the Biden detail, then I state my pro-life position. Woman was utterly mortified and jumps into the rape cases and mother-endangering arguments. I acknowledge her concerns and explain that those are the rare and unfortunate cases, and that most women advocating for abortion perhaps need to just stop having sex (pissed her right off lol). She tells me men need to stop jacking off and killing kids that way, I say those aren't kids, she says fetuses aren't kids, yadda yadda. Usual abortion arguments. I had to stop arguing with her, my efforts seemed futile. How do I get through to someone like this? She doesn't even hear herself deny the fetus is a life and proceed to say she'd ***kill*** her next pregnancy if it happened. Left out some of the specifics of the debate, this isn't a play-by-play post.

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This is technically true if, during her menstruation, she sheds fertilized eggs unknowingly. Because, I assume, you believe life begins at conception?

Unfortunately, there is no real argument to make here until science answers the question of "when does consciousness enter the fetus and life begin?" But science cannot answer many questions with regards to consciousness, due to the nature of the observer being within the experiment.

The best case is for women to avoid this tricky situation at all costs. The Bible Old Testament recommends a herbal abortative medicine to help women miscarry, which many tribal cultures used to practice. But I agree with you, that today's issue of modern abortion has become Judaized, weaponized, and highly grotesque.

Try appealing to her compassion. Women are empathic animals. Try to ask "how does she know when life begins?" because no one knows.

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Life at conception, simply put. And since science CAN'T prove consciousness, I'm of the thought of not taking a chance regarding killing a life, the consciousness could very well be day 1.

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That's a safe bet and honorable. Makes you more honorable than the old testament jews, since you're Aryan. A mature woman can come to respect your opinion.