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Casually discussing the monkeypox fiasco with a coworker, when another coworker walks up and gets involved in the discussion. She eventually steers the conversation toward abortion with the statement, "Kids wouldn't be getting hurt if Biden wasn't forcing us to have them."

Naturally this launches a debate. First I correct her on the Biden detail, then I state my pro-life position. Woman was utterly mortified and jumps into the rape cases and mother-endangering arguments. I acknowledge her concerns and explain that those are the rare and unfortunate cases, and that most women advocating for abortion perhaps need to just stop having sex (pissed her right off lol). She tells me men need to stop jacking off and killing kids that way, I say those aren't kids, she says fetuses aren't kids, yadda yadda. Usual abortion arguments. I had to stop arguing with her, my efforts seemed futile.

How do I get through to someone like this? She doesn't even hear herself deny the fetus is a life and proceed to say she'd kill her next pregnancy if it happened.

Left out some of the specifics of the debate, this isn't a play-by-play post.

Casually discussing the monkeypox fiasco with a coworker, when another coworker walks up and gets involved in the discussion. She eventually steers the conversation toward abortion with the statement, "Kids wouldn't be getting hurt if Biden wasn't forcing us to have them." Naturally this launches a debate. First I correct her on the Biden detail, then I state my pro-life position. Woman was utterly mortified and jumps into the rape cases and mother-endangering arguments. I acknowledge her concerns and explain that those are the rare and unfortunate cases, and that most women advocating for abortion perhaps need to just stop having sex (pissed her right off lol). She tells me men need to stop jacking off and killing kids that way, I say those aren't kids, she says fetuses aren't kids, yadda yadda. Usual abortion arguments. I had to stop arguing with her, my efforts seemed futile. How do I get through to someone like this? She doesn't even hear herself deny the fetus is a life and proceed to say she'd ***kill*** her next pregnancy if it happened. Left out some of the specifics of the debate, this isn't a play-by-play post.

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[–] • 13 pts

You can lead a nag to knowledge, but you can't make her think.

Jesus cautioned against casting your pearls before swine, lest they trample them underfoot into the mud, then turn and rend you with their tusks.

When the student is ready, the teacher appears.

Awakening is like a good soufflé -- it can't be hurried or it will collapse in upon itself.

[–] • 5 pts

A fetus is principally viable due to its complete human chromosome, a sperm is only half, wasting sperm cannot be compared to killing a fetus, sperm cells are not limited by anything other than a heart beat and intact testes, eggs are time limited, they are finite and degrade over time. Sperm degrade thousands of times faster and are replaced quickly and regular ejaculation is healthy for a man's reproductive health.

Point, counterpoint on masturbation: the religipis example of masturbation as immoral is removed from context, a son of judah spilled his seed on the ground and was struck by lightning, he wasn't masturbating though, he was commanded by God to impregnate his dread brother's widow, that her son inherit her dead husband's portion of their father's inheritance. He fucked her and pulled out and nutted on the dirt in their tent. He directly disobeyed God and dishonored his sister in law. Counterpoint, excessive masturbation and even ejaculation will drain you of your male vitality and the science and countless examples demonstrate this, porn addiction will damage your brain and mind.

[–] • 4 pts

These aren't rational people, you can't reason with them and you will never change their minds through debate. They respond to social pressure and emotions. If you can get them in a situation where all their peers believe something, they'll believe it eventually too. You might be able to work through their emotional reasoning and guide their feelings, but the best way to get through to them is to find a way to get two of their feelings about an issue to contradict each other so that it creates severe enough cognitive dissonance which forces them to process the conflict rationally in order to resolve it. Easier said than done, though.

[–] • 3 pts

... find a way to get two of their feelings about an issue to contradict each other ...

That's the easy part.

... so that it creates severe enough cognitive dissonance which forces them to process the conflict rationally in order to resolve it.

That doesn't work because they are not only used to live with severe cognitive dissonance (doublethink, as George Orwell called it), but it's part of their training as cult members. They don't feel the need to resolve the conflict because their peers don't do that either.

They are all part of a gigantic Ash experiment and can only change when their peers do it first, or by changing their peer group. Maybe you can change their coworker peer group one by one, but most likely their online peer group is much stronger.

[–] • 3 pts

Should have told her she's killing children when she menstrates.

[–] • 0 pt

Somehow I think she'd welcome the concept with open arms...

[–] • 1 pt

This is technically true if, during her menstruation, she sheds fertilized eggs unknowingly. Because, I assume, you believe life begins at conception?

Unfortunately, there is no real argument to make here until science answers the question of "when does consciousness enter the fetus and life begin?" But science cannot answer many questions with regards to consciousness, due to the nature of the observer being within the experiment.

The best case is for women to avoid this tricky situation at all costs. The Bible Old Testament recommends a herbal abortative medicine to help women miscarry, which many tribal cultures used to practice. But I agree with you, that today's issue of modern abortion has become Judaized, weaponized, and highly grotesque.

Try appealing to her compassion. Women are empathic animals. Try to ask "how does she know when life begins?" because no one knows.

[–] • 1 pt

Life at conception, simply put. And since science CAN'T prove consciousness, I'm of the thought of not taking a chance regarding killing a life, the consciousness could very well be day 1.

[–] [deleted] • 2 pts

She won't listen, there is the me to movement. But her argument is so selfish she shows she's into the me only movement where only herself matters and fuck everyone else.

[–] • 2 pts

Sick part is that she has three kids.

[–] [deleted] • 1 pt

those are the collateral for the child support payments.

[–] • 2 pts

In cases like this, you don't debate to convince the opposite party. You debate to convince bystanders.

[–] • 1 pt

Didn't work this time, I think. Satan's spawn has a sharp tongue and a loud mouth.

[–] • 0 pt

Praying she doesn't have sons.

[–] • 1 pt

How do I get through to someone like this?

The politicians want to force the abortion debate into an all or nothing choice. "You HAVE TO vote for us, you HAVE TO give us unlimited power, OR ELSE!!"

The fact is that the vast majority of people do not support the all or nothing choices. The vast majority of people are perfectly fine with birth control, and are fine with giving the morning after pill to people who press rape charges. But the vast majority are also against late term abortions, and if a mother wants to give birth, they want the fetus to have some protections.

If the people were given more options than all or nothing, then the politicians wouldn't be able to use abortion as a way of manipulating people into voting for them. And the people would get what they want. Birth control, morning after pill, abortions in cases of rape and incest, abortions for those who's life is at risk - all allowed. While late term pregnancies would receive assistance and support instead of abortions, and if the mother chooses to give birth, there will be rights and protections.

You're an idiot, and a puppet of the political parties, if you fall for the all or nothing choices.

Also, by falling for the all or nothing choices, you're guaranteeing a few years of what you want followed by years of the bad guys getting their way. Instead of getting what you want all of the time.

Another angle - If the states choose, then people will still have access to abortions and birth control. They just might have to travel to the next state. But if the federal government decides - All the bad guys need to do is to get their cronies on the Supreme Court and abortions and birth control are completely banned from the entire US for decades. So therefore, it's far better that the states decide, right?

[–] • 1 pt

(CNSNews.com) - Although black Americans comprise 13.4% of the U.S. population, they accounted for 36.0% of the abortions in 2015

Threaten to report her to HR for promoting genocide of blacks by encouraging abortion. Look up some quotes from Margaret Sanger (founder of Planned Parenthood) about the need to reduce the number of colored people. Use their tactics against her.

[–] • 1 pt

How do I get through to someone like this?

Wtf you're planning on wasting more time? You should never, under any circumstances, give a fuck about what a woman thinks about politics.

[–] • 1 pt

Whores have no power at all if sex with no consequences is taken from them.

[–] • 1 pt

Just tell her to get herself a post birth abortion

[–] • 1 pt

Lol I learned shortly after this post that she's attempted a couple times. Woman's apparently bipolar and depressed with a dose of battered bitch syndrome. Off her meds.

[–] • 1 pt

Stick your dick in her!

Always stick your dick in crazy women!

[–] • 1 pt

Fuck no. Whore, remember?

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