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Manufacturers and dealers spent the last 30 years in a race to the bottom.

Bigger discounts, greater sales, unlimited supply. The only constraint was on how many people you could talk into switching their car.

Even then, dealers were called thieves. They were taking up to 10k off msrp and people still complained. People would drive 100 miles just to save a couple hundred bucks on a car deal. It's not even about the money. It's a game.

And now, the prices are fixed, you're going to wait 2-3 months for your car, and these same assholes that drive that 100 miles to save a buck are screaming for the Manufacturers to take over the sales process.

You think the Manufacturers will give you a discount? Think they'll throw anything in to sweeten the deal?

Hell no. But people pretend they don't like negotiating. Until they can't.

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Hello sales/dealer critter

Manufacturers and dealers spent the last 30 years in a race to the bottom.

That's called competition. That's how capitalism works.

Even then, dealers were called thieves.

Because they are. Slimy, crooked thieves, I might add.

You think the Manufacturers will give you a discount?

They don't need to do anything. I'm not buying. They'll run out of suckers soon enough for my needs. I do have fun when they call and beg me to sell them my current vehicles, though.

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What has a dealer ever stolen from you? Really. Thieves steal from people.

It's such hyperbole.

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The actual validity of my extended warranty.

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They would if I let them, and they do from gullible people all the time. The slimy part is extra true. You can see it at the dealerships that are doing mandatory dealer add-ons these days just because they know the suckers will pay. Why not just a markup? Who know? Maybe it helps the conscience somehow believing they're selling something of value by adding $10 of Scotch Guard to the seats and charging $500.

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Just the other day there was a story on Poal about how automakers sales were down drastically across the board. The exact opposite of this story.

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It's not opposite. That's the game they're playing. "Oh, poor us. Our sales are dramatically lower. Can't you see we want things to get back to normal even more than you do?"

The real story is they're making far more profit on each vehicle than they were pre-Covid. They have no financial incentive to improve the supply of cars. In fact, they have gigantic profit increases as motivation to drag it on as long as they can.

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They're very interested in keeping the "shortage" going as long as they can. In fact, I bet once they can get parts and chips freely they will continue to underproduce. They've accidentally found a new strategy to boost profits and it's not going away any time soon.

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All it will take is 1 manufacturer to produce their potential and it will force others to proceed. Unless of course, all these idiots screaming for the end of dealerships get their way. Then the big corporations will do whatever they want. Family owned dealerships are a huge source of middle class employment. One of the last few juggernauts of the American Way.

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All it will take is 1 manufacturer to produce their potential and it will force others to proceed.

As long as there isn't illegal collusion it will happen. That's how competition works. It will just be more slowly than if manufacturers were hurting.

I know some people have no choice but to buy right now, like if their car is totaled or something. I just don't understand all the suckers out there paying markups when they don't really need a car.

The good thing about all of this is that it's really brought the extra slimy dealerships to the forefront. I like to go around car shopping to see what markups, forced dealer add-ons, and other shit dealers are trying to pull. I keep a list so I know which dealerships I will not shop at when I do purchase. When prices are normal I am going to replace two cars.

It's OK crooked salescritters: I can wait for years. Don't worry about me.