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I struggle with it. I cope after by pretending it was just me being "passionate", but I have seen how Men act and it's something I strive for.

I struggle with it. I cope after by pretending it was just me being "passionate", but I have seen how Men act and it's something I strive for.

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[–] 5 pts

Controlling your own emotional state is step 1 to being an adult.

HOWEVER, sometimes you do have to press people harder.

Sometimes, you have to (even if it is feigned) show anger and passion.

By neutering everyone's passion in favor of politeness, you lose charismatic figures.

And, the truth is that charismatic figures ARE responsible for every honest revolution in human history, of which most are long forgotten.

Point being, is that, yes, it is supremely important to be able to control your reaction and disarm your emotional triggers.

The Psychological Industrial Complex programs emotional triggers into people so that they can be used ad nauseum to control people focus of attention and real world behaviors.

In order to avoid being a mind control slave, you need to take away their power to make you an outrage monkey.

Once you're no longer an outrage monkey, you can easily trigger other outrage monkeys.

The "other side" of debate, once you can control your reaction, will reveal itself as incapable of having an honest conversation. The media exists specifically so that your leaders never have to make an honest accounting of their behaviors. The flying monkeys they mind control are also incapable of honestly reviewing the facts. They are too emotional, which shuts down the frontal lobe of the brain. Literally incapable of reason.

So it goes, with you, me and everyone else. We are incapable of introspection, logic, reason, coming up with solutions when we are overly emotional. This is how you tell people to shut the fuck up and listen, for a minute.

You point out how it is an emotional issue, but one side is using this evidence and the other side is using this evidence and neither side is correct because neither side is creatively tackling the issue and are merely regurgitating propaganda talking points which are designed to provide no solutions EVER. Siding with propaganda talking points IS part of the problem.

You, yourself, may find yourself regurgitating talking points from the RINO right. This is merely mind control.

Hitler was was an asset of the Zionist Congress. He fed the Jesuits battle plans, who gave them to Stalin. Both "sides" are the victims of agitprop. Both Republicans and Democrats are covering up industrial scale child rape. There is no one worth agreeing with who is in charge. These facts, alone, prove that corruption has completely over taken what you see on your screens. There is no such thing as an honest journalist who is allowed to publish, an actual "conservative" who would be allowed to make a Hollywood blockbuster, an honest "leaker" or "whistleblower" embraced by the news and Hollywood. Wikileaks will not publish incriminating information on Mossad or on joint operations between FSB and the CIA or MSS and the CIA. Forget all of those people as there is no help coming. You are all there is.

The only way to solve this problem is to take the fight directly to local politics; school boards, city councils, mayorship, Sheriff, DA, County Medical Examiner, etc. Trickle up success from there is the only way to win power for common sense.

Freakonomics is winning and some common sense policy is all that it will take to fix it.

For that reason, you have to target your attacks.

I've implemented a number of strategies and, by trial and error, I will tell you what I've learned. The Establishment is not going to teach you how to take political power and will only show you ineffective strategies for addressing corporate and political corruption. The Establishment is not going to show you anything that requires more than a 6th grade education to understand to infantilize the population, making them easier to guide.

You can do leaks. They are easy to find and they do make a small difference. However, you will notice some leaks cause a lot of fake outrage. You can drip out little pieces of information, here and there, to manipulate the media and drive them nuts. They will label you a white supremacist and delete your leaks from the Internet. IN fact, you'll notice they are changing the rules on what can and can't be shared, as we speak. "Revenge porn" is the excuse, though notice Reddit used this excuse even for porn recorded and uploaded by Hunter Biden, himself. Revenge porn and the the illegality of sharing evidence in criminal cases hides tons of crimes from the view of the public.

For example, any evidence uncovered in the Epstein case is illegal to share. You, as the common man, are not allowed to prove corruption, in this case. You would be arrested or, more likely, killed, if you got your hands on the CDs and DVDs the FBI mysteriously lost.

For example, immediately upon the leak of this picture,

https://pic8.co/sh/unMPlq.png

this happened...

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55908105

Dealing with pedophiles is easy.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3629679/

https://archive.md/NxJ7b

The most effective way I have discerned to fight back, is to agitate pedophiles into exposing themselves or asking for protection from their fellow pedos. Pedophilia is tied to all other forms of corruption and implementing the death penalty for certain offenders is the first step to eliminating corruption in politics and corporations. For now, you do what you can. But this gives you the pedestal in which to experience outrage, in which to target your emotions. The anti-pedo position is what separates the real human being from the useful idiots.

https://www.wionews.com/world/sonys-playstation-executive-appears-in-pedophile-sting-video-gets-axed-434755

When people support liberalism and Democrats, in front of you, feel free to completely beat them the fuck down over supporting pedophiles and human traffickers. You don't have to feel bad about being a little emotional about this issue. The political machine is absolutely terrified of this argument and will paint Trump into the picture constantly to avoid it... at which point you say, "Hang him, too, if there is proof he participated in the sex trafficking of little kids. But, you're still supporting pedophiles and you should take some time to examine why you would do something so stupid."

Also, "Pedophiles are worse than racists." Racists can be ignored. Pedophiles won't be ignored.

Ultimately, you have to pick your battles. You have the right to keep the bullshit out of your own home. You have the right to take steps to do that. That doesn't mean you have to tell people to fuck off, or to get all uppity about the vax.

Really, it means going to every person in your neighborhood and community with an American flag outside and asking them to vote for you for City Council, School Board, etc. When asked about your position, you merely say "It is my position to represent the voters, which the current representatives are not doing."

There is no need to reveal your hand early. There is no need to scream out of a mega phone that you're not vaxxed. Just fake the card and tell people, "Yeah, I didn't agree with it and it made me feel like crap, but y'all beat me down; threatened my livelihood, my freedom and I did it. It was wrong. I'm vaxxed."

You and your family and your community need you be be a strong leader and lead by example, so that means leaving a lot of antics aside. It means picking your battles and conserving your emotional output for moments that matter; for actions that matter... not empty words, not empty actions.

[–] 2 pts

Man, thanks for the quality response. Affirmations here help my sanity as well.

[–] 4 pts

I can generally control myself, although if I find myself locked in a real debate where ideas are being exchanged every few seconds, it's hard to keep my voice from rising. Generally, I make my rational points calmly and quietly, and see them completely ignored by the other party, who jumps on some irrational, emotional response and pounds it to death.

People actually believe they "win" something if they can drown out the person they are arguing with using some meaningless rhetorical trick. It's a Jew thing. Jews do this all the time in arguing. They learn it at some yenta's knee when they are three years old. Whites sometimes try to use it, but not being Jews, they can't make it work as well.

[–] 1 pt

Raising your voice is a hard one. I can feel when I go from normal to aggressive, I just need to better "catch" it, I guess.

The thing about who is loudest, only works when you are surrounded by idiots, which today is all-the-time. It draws others to take their side as well, emotions and whatnot. But I respect the calm, collected one.

[–] 0 pt

The word you're looking for is pilpul.

[–] 0 pt

see them completely ignored by the other party, who jumps on some irrational, emotional response and pounds it to death.

That's not a real debate. That's some dumb fuck pushing politics/cult.

A real debate involves the exchange of ideas between people who are intelligent enough to hold several ideas in their heads that they don't agree with.

[–] 3 pts

I can keep my cool but I'm not anywhere near as effective as I'd like to be, and I'm always worried some Nazi shit will slip out by accident. I also haven't developed a clear strategy for how I want to deal with normies (the mental steps I want them to reach) and I think you need to have that going in.

I'm way more persuasive in a textual format where I have at least a short delay to think.

Debate is a skill that takes focused practice and I haven't put that work in yet.

[–] 0 pt

Sometimes I will stumble because I have to prove things that, for a long time I've known to be true.

I know the issue is that they are ignorant. I hate WILLFULLY ignorant people. Unfortunately some are bound to me by blood and that will not be broken in my eyes. I just feel that I shouldn't need to be anyone's educator if they want to debate a topic. Assholes need to stop having opinions on shit they refuse to learn about. Sigh.

[–] 1 pt

Sometimes I will stumble because I have to prove things that, for a long time I've known to be true.

We aren't all encyclopedias. It can be frustrating to have to pull up your phone for 20 minutes to find your sources to something you have internalized and don't always have to explain to others.

[–] 0 pt

Sometimes I will stumble because I have to prove things that, for a long time I've known to be true.

Do be careful with this one. It is a tactic to continually bring up "where's the source" to interrupt a conversation. It might be wise to disconnect and tell your interrupter to go do their own research on their own time. And if they are too busy for that, you charge $300/hr.

People who are actually interested however, tend to write down your sources for later research on their own. These people are actually worth talking to.

[–] 0 pt

Well said. I'm struggling with the fact that there are people with doctorates in science who are ignoring the scientific process of rational thought. It doesn't make sense to me but is a reality that I am living in.

[–] [deleted] 3 pts

It's gets harder the more you care about the person you are arguing with. Especially if they are being an asshole about it.

[–] 0 pt

Yes. And we all have people in our life who we can't just cut out, no matter how big of an asshole they can be.

[–] 1 pt (edited )

Use socratic method. Ask them questions about their beliefs and get a baseline for where they morally stand. Introduce questions that challenge those views, keep probing for consistency. If you can pick someone apart without attack or ad hominem then they'll likely be more suggestible.

Edit: Incomplete posting

I'm not where I want to be, but also not where I was! Renewing my mind with the Word of God and my body with real food has helped a lot.

[–] 1 pt

Better diet and sleep for sure. Also unplugging for a bit; It's easy to get in your head when you are surrounded/bombarded with propaganda.

[–] 1 pt

It's hard to take the people who debate me seriously, like who wastes their time arguing with a retard? So I don't get upset at all, I just feel bad for them.

[–] 1 pt

Theo, I enjoy when you let your genius show.

[–] 1 pt

Softly take a deep breath or two between exchanges. It's important to think critically. You're not in a race to get your point out.

Am I attempting to convince this person to gain an ally? Do we have a reason to discuss this, or is this person just a fucking asshole with no potential worth? Take a few seconds (or minutes, or a day or two, depending on the situation) to think about what is being said, and then measure your response accordingly.

My older brother was always able to keep his cool when others got loud by slowing down and analyzing the situation and what was being said.

[–] 1 pt

Yeah. I find I make the best decisions if I sleep on them.

As for the ally/worth, I know not every battle needs to be fought but we are fighting a war of information and people are getting injected with untested drugs. It's hard to just wait I guess.

[–] 0 pt

I bait people then mock them for being inconsistent. It's tons of fun.

[–] 0 pt

No, I get loud almost immediately. Add to that: I am tall and mean-looking, and...almost always get my way.

[–] 1 pt

I guess I could just frown more.

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And mutter under your breath...people will leave you alone.

[–] 0 pt

Speaking to people face to face is much more difficult than just typing back and forth. For what it's worth, most people are much more calm and patient in person.

The thing is, if someone has a high verbal IQ, it doesn't matter how smart anyone is, they will inevitably end up under the guy with the high verbal IQ because of the colorful and magnetic way they can convey ideas.

[–] 0 pt

I'd rather speak face-to-face though. Emotions are lost through a screen.

I don't necessarily agree that high IQ people communicate in colorful and magnetic ways. Shit, I've seen some struggle with basic hygiene. I consider what you speak of to be "charisma" and I don't think that correlates to high IQ.

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We're talking about high verbal IQ. Charisma is necessarily tethered to a high verbal IQ, actually...

[–] 0 pt

What do you mean by a high verbal IQ? You mean something more than having a large vocabulary?