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You can give every family on the planet Earth their own acre of land in the USA, (with still some land left over,) and the rest of the entire Earth would be empty.

Is it that the Earth is overpopulated? Or is it really just mismanaged?

It is not our fault that certain regions of the world have population issues.

Nor should we import those problems here.

You can give every family on the planet Earth their own acre of land in the USA, (with still some land left over,) and the rest of the entire Earth would be empty. Is it that the Earth is overpopulated? Or is it really just mismanaged? It is not our fault that certain regions of the world have population issues. Nor should we import those problems here.

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[–] 2 pts

Yes, the world has too much population of a specific type of person, but not in the way you're thinking, and not the people you're probably thinking of (though they probably qualify), and there's a legitimate population problem.

Old days your population had a lot of turnover. Ten kids, ten combinations of mom and pop's genetic slurry. This gives ten chances at the jackpot - A sweet spot of their parents genes to maximise advantages and offset any disadvantages. Gives them ten chances to create a real fuckup, too, but hey, life's hard, resources are scarce, and probability says that fuckups die and jackpots live and get married.

Post-industrial society civilisation though? One guy and a tractor makes more food than their entire community could eat in a year. Mom and pop pop out three kids, giving seven fewer chances of getting a jackpot, so there's a lot more mediocre kids. Worse, there's very little turnover. Any fuckups? Probably going to survive. Genetic disorder? Good chance of making it to adulthood, almost as good as the jackpots.

So where previously the population was forced to keep optimising by selection pressure, with the strongest, smartest and most capable surviving to get with other strong, smart and capable people, now you have a big mess of fuckups, jackpots and mediocre people surviving.

Even assuming jackpots actually get with jackpots and don't settle, and fuckups stay with fuckups, your population now begins to grow generation by generation, except now you have fuckups with a basically 100% chance of generating fuckups, mediocre fucks who are even less likely to pop out jackpots, and maybe throw in a massive war that kills off 90% of the generation's jackpots and you end up with a society of mostly fuckups and mediocre fucks. Fuckups don't even have to be good providers thanks to industrialisation and welfare, they just need to find someone stupid enough to become their poor life decision.

From an industry perspective, there are so many people that even with bullshit service jobs and Walmart greeters there simply isn't enough busywork to maintain everyone, and there's a growing parasite population whose only purpose is to simply exist and consume the excess labour of society because they're too useless to contribute.

Every single generation the selection pressure against fuckups diminishes and every single generation the selection pressure against jackpots increases, because being and becoming a jackpot consumes effort and energy that the jackpot could have expended on popping out twenty welfare babies.

And that's the overpopulation crisis. Short of civilisation collapsing and these fuckups dying in droves as evolution rears its ugly head and we lose all the cool things we made in the process, basically the only alternatives you have are eugenics, sterilisation, mass infanticide, or a straight up cull of the fuckup population.

[–] 1 pt

I would agree except for the one thing... show me the first world population that is overpopulating.

Many of the first world populations, loaded down with their fuckup burden, are in real population decline. Perhaps that decline is a natural effect to bring their populations back into natural balance with the required break even level of productivity, or something, (too many fuck ups.)

Regardless, it is true. Overpopulation is not a first world phenomenon. When life becomes middle class, for whatever reason, people seem to stop having large families. It's not just us. Japan is doing it too. In Russia, they are paying people to have more kids.

We had just the right amount of people before they offshored all of the manufacturing jobs. The labor surplus was artificially created, and did not come about as a result of run away population growth.

[–] 2 pts

Yes, you're correct, Europeans have naturally self-regulated to the point of dropping below replacement level, and they are definitely propping up the rest of the world's job markets, but note that this isn't just about labour, and the problem wouldn't be resolved by having each native usefully employed (though this obviously is a noble goal in itself).

Northern Europeans trend towards cooperation and helping the less fortunate - great survival traits when you live in a frigid rainy shithole, but now? No matter how big of a fuckup a European child is, they will probably survive to breed successfully, and you end up with the same general problem:

A: You have two kids and they definitely survive no matter how big a fuckup they are. B: You have ten kids and the eight biggest fuckups die.

It's not nice, but B makes populations stronger, while A makes populations weaker, and the beta fuckups getting produced aren't cutting their own balls off quite fast enough to prevent it.

Now, you're a long way away from becoming African tier where only the top 15% of their bell curve isn't retarded (at least through natural processes, our friends in charge are trying to speed things up), but that's the direction Europeans are going, and they're propping up exactly the same problem everywhere else by exporting their superior technology so even Africans are devolving.