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There are opinions worth considering, beyond that "Jesus is recognized as a prophet in Islam"

It's kind of like the popular belief that the source of judaism is the bible, while in fact, it's the talmud

http://www.talktoislam.com/596/do-muslims-believe-jesus-is-the-son-of-god Do Muslims Believe Jesus Is The Son Of God?

No they don't. There are some differences to the way Christians believe in him and the way Muslims do.

Muslims don't believe that Jesus (May Peace Be Upon Him) was God or the Son of God but rather He was Allah's (God's) apostle sent to convey God's message to mankind and guide them to the righteous path. So, to Muslims Jesus is a Prophet of God just like Solomon, Moses, David, Zacaraya, Ishmael, Muhammad etc.

The following Quranic verses make clear the Islamic beliefs about Jesus:

Deny Jesus as son of God:

Such (was) Jesus the son of Mary: (it is) a statement of truth, about which they (vainly) dispute. It is not befitting to (the majesty of) Allah that He should beget a son. Glory be to Him! when He determines a matter, He only says to it, "Be", and it is. (19:34-35, Al-Maryam)

Jesus' status as a Prophet of God:

Jesus, the son of Mary, was no more than a Messenger before whom there lived many other Messengers. His mother was a truthful woman and both of them ate earthly food. Consider how We explain the evidence (of the Truth) to them and see where they then turn.-- Al-Maidah(5:75)

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....... Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His messengers. Say not "Trinity" : desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah: Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son...... --Al-Nisaa (4:171)

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Now here's a "hit piece" that goes further https://thereligionofpeace.com/pages/myths/jesus.aspx

The Jesus of the Quran is the same character, but not the same person. He doesn't say the same things, nor does he do much - except refute Christian beliefs and affirm Muhammad's claims about himself. He is a character of convenience. The Quran agrees with the Bible about the virgin birth of Jesus (and his return), but not his resurrection. In fact, it even denies that he was crucified, which runs counter to all historical evidence. In the Islamic version, Jesus was taken to heaven and will return to "destroy the cross" and all religions other than Islam. While Jesus of the New Testament says things like "Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you" the Quran's Jesus speaks from the crib as an infant and says, "blessed was I on the day I was born" (19:29-33). It is an unrealistic portrait devoid of human depth. The Quran was narrated by Muhammad, and conveniently asserts his role as a prophet of Allah with mind-numbing redundancy. Any mention of previous Biblical figures, such as Moses and Jesus, is almost always within the context of association with Muhammad. These 'fellow prophets' speak superficially, making the same claim that Muhammad makes about himself and castigating anyone who doesn't believe.

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My personal opinion?

Mention jesus or christianity in the presence of "moderate" muslims you eventually know, and chances are, it'll makes them feel uneasy right away, without necessarily saying anything/voicing their opinion about it. There's a "crispation" when it comes to it, not sure exactly why, but that sentiment reinforces my opinion than there's more to that "Jesus is recognized as a prophet in Islam" than what meets the eyes

There are opinions worth considering, beyond that "Jesus is recognized as a prophet in Islam" It's kind of like the popular belief that the source of judaism is the bible, while in fact, it's the talmud http://www.talktoislam.com/596/do-muslims-believe-jesus-is-the-son-of-god Do Muslims Believe Jesus Is The Son Of God? No they don't. There are some differences to the way Christians believe in him and the way Muslims do. Muslims don't believe that Jesus (May Peace Be Upon Him) was God or the Son of God but rather He was Allah's (God's) apostle sent to convey God's message to mankind and guide them to the righteous path. So, to Muslims Jesus is a Prophet of God just like Solomon, Moses, David, Zacaraya, Ishmael, Muhammad etc. The following Quranic verses make clear the Islamic beliefs about Jesus: Deny Jesus as son of God: Such (was) Jesus the son of Mary: (it is) a statement of truth, about which they (vainly) dispute. It is not befitting to (the majesty of) Allah that He should beget a son. Glory be to Him! when He determines a matter, He only says to it, "Be", and it is. (19:34-35, Al-Maryam) Jesus' status as a Prophet of God: Jesus, the son of Mary, was no more than a Messenger before whom there lived many other Messengers. His mother was a truthful woman and both of them ate earthly food. Consider how We explain the evidence (of the Truth) to them and see where they then turn.-- Al-Maidah(5:75) also: ....... Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His messengers. Say not "Trinity" : desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah: Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son...... --Al-Nisaa (4:171) ... Now here's a "hit piece" that goes further https://thereligionofpeace.com/pages/myths/jesus.aspx The Jesus of the Quran is the same character, but not the same person. He doesn't say the same things, nor does he do much - except refute Christian beliefs and affirm Muhammad's claims about himself. He is a character of convenience. The Quran agrees with the Bible about the virgin birth of Jesus (and his return), but not his resurrection. In fact, it even denies that he was crucified, which runs counter to all historical evidence. In the Islamic version, Jesus was taken to heaven and will return to "destroy the cross" and all religions other than Islam. While Jesus of the New Testament says things like "Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you" the Quran's Jesus speaks from the crib as an infant and says, "blessed was I on the day I was born" (19:29-33). It is an unrealistic portrait devoid of human depth. The Quran was narrated by Muhammad, and conveniently asserts his role as a prophet of Allah with mind-numbing redundancy. Any mention of previous Biblical figures, such as Moses and Jesus, is almost always within the context of association with Muhammad. These 'fellow prophets' speak superficially, making the same claim that Muhammad makes about himself and castigating anyone who doesn't believe. ....................... My personal opinion? Mention jesus or christianity in the presence of "moderate" muslims you eventually know, and chances are, it'll makes them feel uneasy right away, without necessarily saying anything/voicing their opinion about it. There's a "crispation" when it comes to it, not sure exactly why, but that sentiment reinforces my opinion than there's more to that "Jesus is recognized as a prophet in Islam" than what meets the eyes

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I uses to troll muslim boards with the question - If islam says Jesus was a prophet why don't you believe what Jesus said? The anger and trouble it caused.

It was like shooting fish in a barrel.

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lol

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Mention jesus or christianity in the presence of "moderate" muslims you eventually know, and chances are, it'll makes them feel uneasy right away, without necessarily saying anything/voicing their opinion about it. There's a "crispation" when it comes to it, not sure exactly why, but that sentiment reinforces my opinion than there's more to that "Jesus is recognized as a prophet in Islam" than what meets the eyes

Seems like a universal semite thing. Mention Jesus in a private setting to jews and they get about as indignant if not more open about their nature than before. It's amazing how every jew I've come across has had a negative notion to assign when Jesus is mentioned. If our society cared to look into it, even just slightly, the average person would see the greatest offense to Christianity is what jews regularly do to it, not what Muslims intend or promise to.

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At minima, without considering "jews for jesus"/messianic jews, since they are an oddity among jews, they tend to consider jesus as a prophet of the christian and leave it at that. At minima. Some don't entertain hostility toward the guy, even consider him as a good person for what he preached in terms of values, it's just that it's not a jewish thing, it's a gentile thing, the guy departed, not their thing. It's like what a joseph smith is to me for instance, same deal, doesn't mean much, ok he was white and christian but that's about it

Now objectively, jesus from a jewish standpoint, I mean theologically speaking/from rabbinic judaism/mainstream judaism's standpoint, can be construed as both a race traitor and an "heretic"/worst offender, sort of

I mean he opposed/wanted to reform jewish law, he's the "creator"/starting point of a cult that not only sow division among jews, but later served as ideological basis to single them out, persecute them at times, needless to mention that in the talmud he's boiling in excrement for eternity because of what he's done, so everything has to be negative about the guy

On top of that, regarding christian theology, the concept of trinity (father, son and holy ghost) is "heretical", it's paganism bordering on polytheism from their point of view. Big no no evidently. Then you have the divinity, god taking a human form, that's a violation of the principle of god essentially, what else?

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He has to be a nothing at all, not only because he went against a bunch of jewish religious laws/rules, but also because "oh shit we killed the messiah", or even just one of their own prophet, is just not an option, for obvious reasons, on top of the fact that there's no such thing as a second coming in judaism regarding the messiah, so it would be pretty unfortunate to say the least if they indeed killed him lol. Besides they would have to convert to christianity if they recognized him as the messiah or at very the least, end judaism since there's no such thing as a second coming. A literal unthinkable blunder in a nutshell.

So, even if a jew isn't religious (many aren't, or just vaguely religious, "cultural" jews), culturally speaking jesus generally tends to be that party pooper/failure that really needs to go away

The rejection of jesus goes as far as skipping over the teaching of a chunk of their religion, which strongly seems to talk about/describe him accurately... https://youtu.be/cGz9BVJ_k6s?t=82

The Forbidden Chapter: Isaiah 53 in the Hebrew Bible

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man_of_Sorrows

Man of Sorrows, a biblical term, is paramount among the prefigurations of the Messiah identified by the Bible in the passages of Isaiah 53 (Servant songs) in the Hebrew Bible.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaiah_53

Isaiah 53 is the fifty-third chapter of the Book of Isaiah in the Hebrew Bible or the Old Testament of the Christian Bible. This book contains the prophecies attributed to the prophet Isaiah and is one of the Nevi'im. Chapters 40 through 55 are known as "Deutero-Isaiah" and date from the time of the Israelites' exile in Babylon.

All that being said, jews don't have an ideological/theological conflict with muslims. They have a territorial conflict. Both religions are compatible ultimately, in terms of religious imperatives. Which isn't the case with christianity, for both, but that's another topic.

At minima, without considering "jews for jesus"/messianic jews, since they are an oddity among jews, they tend to consider jesus as a prophet of the christian and leave it at that. At minima. Some don't entertain hostility toward the guy, even consider him as a good person for what he preached in terms of values, it's just that it's not a jewish thing, it's a gentile thing, the guy departed, not *their* thing. It's like what a joseph smith is to me for instance, same deal, doesn't mean much, ok he was white and christian but that's about it Now objectively, jesus from a jewish standpoint, I mean theologically speaking/from rabbinic judaism/mainstream judaism's standpoint, can be construed as both a race traitor and an "heretic"/worst offender, sort of I mean he opposed/wanted to reform jewish law, he's the "creator"/starting point of a cult that not only sow division among jews, but later served as ideological basis to single them out, persecute them at times, needless to mention that in the talmud he's boiling in excrement for eternity because of what he's done, so everything has to be negative about the guy On top of that, regarding christian theology, the concept of trinity (father, son and holy ghost) is "heretical", it's paganism bordering on polytheism from their point of view. Big no no evidently. Then you have the divinity, god taking a human form, that's a violation of the principle of god essentially, what else? ... He has to be a nothing at all, not only because he went against a bunch of jewish religious laws/rules, but also because "oh shit we killed the messiah", or even just one of their own prophet, is just not an option, for obvious reasons, on top of the fact that there's no such thing as a second coming in judaism regarding the messiah, so it would be pretty unfortunate to say the least if they indeed killed him lol. Besides they would have to convert to christianity if they recognized him as the messiah or at very the least, end judaism since there's no such thing as a second coming. A literal unthinkable blunder in a nutshell. So, even if a jew isn't religious (many aren't, or just vaguely religious, "cultural" jews), culturally speaking jesus generally tends to be that party pooper/failure that really needs to go away The rejection of jesus goes as far as skipping over the teaching of a chunk of their religion, which strongly seems to talk about/describe him accurately... https://youtu.be/cGz9BVJ_k6s?t=82 The Forbidden Chapter: Isaiah 53 in the Hebrew Bible https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man_of_Sorrows Man of Sorrows, a biblical term, is paramount among the prefigurations of the Messiah identified by the Bible in the passages of Isaiah 53 (Servant songs) in the Hebrew Bible. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaiah_53 Isaiah 53 is the fifty-third chapter of the Book of Isaiah in the Hebrew Bible or the Old Testament of the Christian Bible. This book contains the prophecies attributed to the prophet Isaiah and is one of the Nevi'im. Chapters 40 through 55 are known as "Deutero-Isaiah" and date from the time of the Israelites' exile in Babylon. All that being said, jews don't have an ideological/theological conflict with muslims. They have a territorial conflict. Both religions are compatible ultimately, in terms of religious imperatives. Which isn't the case with christianity, for both, but that's another topic.

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Are bots writing this for you or are you really this invested?

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What's your problem with the piece above? Why does it make you feel uneasy?

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Doesnt make me feel uneasy at all, i am just impressed by how much you write. Its like an essay! A few words short only! (:

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