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In 2018, there were roughly 40,000 gun related deaths, this number is not disputed. (1)

U.S. population 328 million as of January 2018. (2)

Do the math: 0.0122% of the population dies from gun related actions each year.

Statistically speaking, this is insignificant. It's not even a rounding error.

What is not insignificant, however, is a breakdown of those roughly 40,000 deaths:

• 24,000 (60%) are by suicide which can't be prevented by gun laws (3)

• 1,000 (2.5%) are by law enforcement, thus not relevant to Gun Control discussion. (4)

• 500 (1.25%) are accidental (5)

So no, "gun violence" isn't 40,000 annually, but rather roughly 13,500... 0.004% of the population.

Still too many? Let's look at location. According to a review of FBI homicide statistics (6), the 10 cities with the highest firearm homicide rates (Chicago, Detroit, Kansas City, Louisville, Milwaukee, St.Louis, Baltimore, Birmingham, Memphis, and New Orleans) make up roughly 20% of those deaths.

This leaves 10,800 deaths for everywhere else in America... about 200 deaths per state. Obviously some States have higher rates than others

Yes, 10,000 is absolutely horrific, but let's think for a minute...

But what about other deaths each year?

70,000+ die from a drug overdose (7)

49,000 people die per year from the flu (8)

37,000 people die per year in traffic fatalities (9)

Now it gets interesting:

250,000+ people die each year from preventable medical errors. (10)

You are safer in Chicago than when you are in a hospital!

610,000 people die per year from heart disease (11)

Even a 10% decrease in cardiac deaths would save about twice the number of lives annually of all gun-related deaths (including suicide, law enforcement, etc.).

A 10% reduction in medical errors would be 62% of the total gun deaths or 4 times the number of criminal homicides.

Simple, easily preventable, 10% reductions!

We don't have a gun problem... We have a political agenda and media sensationalism problem.

Here are some statistics about defensive gun use in the U.S. as well.

https://www.nap.edu/read/18319/chapter/3#14

Page 15:

Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million (Kleck, 2001a), in the context of about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008 (BJS, 2010).

That's a minimum 500,000 incidents/assaults deterred, if you were to play devil's advocate and say that only 10% of that low end number is accurate, then that is still more than the number of deaths, even including the suicides.

Older study, 1995:

https://scholarlycommons.law.northwestern.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=6853&context=jclc

Page 164

The most technically sound estimates presented in Table 2 are those based on the shorter one-year recall period that rely on Rs' first-hand accounts of their own experiences (person-based estimates). These estimates appear in the first two columns. They indicate that each year in the U.S. there are about 2.2 to 2.5 million DGUs of all types by civilians against humans, with about 1.5 to 1.9 million of the incidents involving use of handguns.

r.dgu is a great sub to pay attention to, when you want to know whether or not someone is defensively using a gun

——sources——

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/injury.htm

https://everytownresearch.org/firearm-suicide/

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/suicide.htm

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/police-shootings-2017/?tid=a_inl_manual

https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-accidental-gun-deaths-20180101-story.html, https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/home-and-community/safety-topics/guns/

https://247wallst.com/special-report/2018/11/13/cities-with-the-most-gun-violence/ (stats halved as reported statistics cover 2 years, single year statistics not found)

https://www.drugabuse.gov/related-topics/trends-statistics/overdose-death-rates

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/faq.htm

https://crashstats.nhtsa.dot.gov/Api/Public/ViewPublication/812603

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2018/02/22/medical-errors-third-leading-cause-of-death-in-america.html

https://www.cdc.gov/heartdisease/facts.htm

In 2018, there were roughly 40,000 gun related deaths, this number is not disputed. (1) U.S. population 328 million as of January 2018. (2) Do the math: 0.0122% of the population dies from gun related actions each year. Statistically speaking, this is insignificant. It's not even a rounding error. What is not insignificant, however, is a breakdown of those roughly 40,000 deaths: • 24,000 (60%) are by suicide which can't be prevented by gun laws (3) • 1,000 (2.5%) are by law enforcement, thus not relevant to Gun Control discussion. (4) • 500 (1.25%) are accidental (5) So no, "gun violence" isn't 40,000 annually, but rather roughly 13,500... 0.004% of the population. Still too many? Let's look at location. According to a review of FBI homicide statistics (6), the 10 cities with the highest firearm homicide rates (Chicago, Detroit, Kansas City, Louisville, Milwaukee, St.Louis, Baltimore, Birmingham, Memphis, and New Orleans) make up roughly 20% of those deaths. This leaves 10,800 deaths for everywhere else in America... about 200 deaths per state. Obviously some States have higher rates than others Yes, 10,000 is absolutely horrific, but let's think for a minute... But what about other deaths each year? 70,000+ die from a drug overdose (7) 49,000 people die per year from the flu (8) 37,000 people die per year in traffic fatalities (9) Now it gets interesting: 250,000+ people die each year from preventable medical errors. (10) You are safer in Chicago than when you are in a hospital! 610,000 people die per year from heart disease (11) Even a 10% decrease in cardiac deaths would save about twice the number of lives annually of all gun-related deaths (including suicide, law enforcement, etc.). A 10% reduction in medical errors would be 62% of the total gun deaths or 4 times the number of criminal homicides. Simple, easily preventable, 10% reductions! We don't have a gun problem... We have a political agenda and media sensationalism problem. Here are some statistics about defensive gun use in the U.S. as well. https://www.nap.edu/read/18319/chapter/3#14 Page 15: Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million (Kleck, 2001a), in the context of about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008 (BJS, 2010). That's a minimum 500,000 incidents/assaults deterred, if you were to play devil's advocate and say that only 10% of that low end number is accurate, then that is still more than the number of deaths, even including the suicides. Older study, 1995: https://scholarlycommons.law.northwestern.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=6853&context=jclc Page 164 The most technically sound estimates presented in Table 2 are those based on the shorter one-year recall period that rely on Rs' first-hand accounts of their own experiences (person-based estimates). These estimates appear in the first two columns. They indicate that each year in the U.S. there are about 2.2 to 2.5 million DGUs of all types by civilians against humans, with about 1.5 to 1.9 million of the incidents involving use of handguns. r.dgu is a great sub to pay attention to, when you want to know whether or not someone is defensively using a gun ——sources—— https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/injury.htm https://everytownresearch.org/firearm-suicide/ https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/suicide.htm https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/police-shootings-2017/?tid=a_inl_manual https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-accidental-gun-deaths-20180101-story.html, https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/home-and-community/safety-topics/guns/ https://247wallst.com/special-report/2018/11/13/cities-with-the-most-gun-violence/ (stats halved as reported statistics cover 2 years, single year statistics not found) https://www.drugabuse.gov/related-topics/trends-statistics/overdose-death-rates https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/faq.htm https://crashstats.nhtsa.dot.gov/Api/Public/ViewPublication/812603 https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2018/02/22/medical-errors-third-leading-cause-of-death-in-america.html https://www.cdc.gov/heartdisease/facts.htm

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[–] 5 pts

Well done. Now add the fact that 'gun control' has never stopped a single criminal from buying an illegal firearm in an alley and shooting anyone they please. Why would it? Now add the Real reason liberal/communism wants the 120 million honest armed Americans, disarmed. Australia, New Zealand, England, Canada and all of the other countries where the disarmed sheep are being imprisoned for not taking an experimental shot for a virus that has not even been proven to exist. History Translation= communism can not defeat the Armed citizen and has always disarmed them first.

[–] 2 pts

Alot of work went into that. Thanks.

[–] 2 pts

You can't talk about gun violence without mentioning race.

Politics is not data driven, if it were black people would not be allowed to have a gun.

Yea, I see drug addiction should get more attention than guns. All the shit phama pushes and china's exports that end up on the street. I had an 8th grader ask me "Why can I find a drug dealer but the cops can't"? Too many human garbage pigs making money that don't give a rat's ass about you.

[–] 0 pt

I don’t disagree with pretty much anything you wrote here, but I think this is worth addressing because it’s what a leftist will focus on as a weakness in the argument:

24,000 (60%) are by suicide which can't be prevented by gun laws

You’re assuming that everyone who successfully commits suicide by gun would successfully commit suicide by other means. The reality is that guns make suicide significantly easier.

Someone who is depressed and drunk and alone in their bedroom can easily put a gun to their head with their finger on the trigger and reach a point where the gun goes off; it’s a matter of millimeters.

It’s much harder to take the time to make a noose and hang it up, or to go to the closet and get a straight razor, or to go to the medicine cabinet and pull out and open a bottle of pills. And two of those three still allow plenty of time to change your mind even after you’ve done the act.

I am 100% 2A but I can’t agree that guns don’t make suicide easier.

[–] 2 pts

I think its moot. Why do I care if someone wants to off them selves? Let em. IDK.

[–] 1 pt

I don’t care either, but he’s pretending that suicide numbers aren’t gun deaths, and they are. I also don’t care if niggers shoot each other, but we still count those gun deaths