Yes, how a flag is perceived is what it means, not it’s original intentions. This is a frequent debate in Ireland, because a lot of us recognise if we reunify with Northern Ireland we’ll have to give up the tricolour as the national flag. The meaning of the Irish tricolour (green, white, orange) is the hope of peace between the nationalist Catholics (green) and unionist Protestants (orange), with the white obviously being the peace bit. By official meaning it is far more representative of Northern Ireland than the republic, where there are no problems at all between Catholics and Protestants. But to northern Protestants it is the flag that adorned IRA coffins, so they hate it and wouldn’t be a part of a country that flew it. Their perception of the flag’s meaning is far more important than its actual meaning.
Oh, Irish in the house! Okay finally. Glad to see some Europeans in here.
Do you mind if we ask you a bunch of questions? Obviously we share a lot of the same concerns on this site, but Ireland and other white nations across the pond have a much much bigger set of problems over there.
Disclosure of my biases:
I don't recognize the EU. It is a criminal organization.
I am pro repatriation of immigrants back to their own nations. Ireland for the Irish, Scottland for the Scottish, Wales for the Welsh ... and the English can go fuck them selves back to wherever Anglo-Saxony is.
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My first question is about the history of the protestant and catholic division of Ireland and the bias in my question revolves around removing non Irish from Ireland and repatriating them back to England or wherever. Is the catholic protestant divide a division AMONG IRISH taking on different religious affiliation throughout history or is the division of Ireland AMONG INVADERS INVADING A FOREIGN LAND, namely the english sending their population in to de-populated Ireland?
I have read a whole bunch of history on your part of the world, it's utterly facinating but I haven't read anything that provides clarity on the ethnicity of the northern / southern divide.
Thanks!
The Protestants in Northern Ireland are the descendants of planters sent over from from Scotland during the Ulster plantation in the early 17th century. The British had attempted two similar plantations previously, one in the midlands and another in Ulster, but they tried to send English which resulted in an insufficient number of planters (Ireland seemed a long way from the Home Counties), so all the planters were slaughtered. The plantation of Ulster came shortly after the defeat of the O’Neills and O’Donnells of Ulster at the battle of kinsale (long story) and the fall of Gaelic Ireland’s last stronghold, Ulster, and the flight of the earls. The British had learned from their previous failed plantations so sent Scots this time, and Scotland to Ulster is but a stone throw (they were even one kingdom once upon a time called Dal Riada). So that’s what the real division is about in the north - the Protestants are British/Scottish who were sent to Ireland to make Ireland British, while the Catholics are native. It doesn’t really have anything to do with religion, but because the Irish and Scots have basically been the same people since Dal Riada the only way we can differentiate the nationalities is by religion. That’s why I say there’s no issues between Catholics and Protestants in the south, cos down here it’s just religion so it doesn’t matter. Whereas up north it’s the way to define if someone if British or Irish.
Intersting. Appreciate the clarification. What are your thoughts / hopes for re-unification? Do you want it to happen? Can it happen? What would need to be done to make it successful?
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