WelcomeUser Guide
ToSPrivacyCanary
DonateBugsLicense

©2024 Poal.co

319

(post is archived)

[–] 1 pt

The Protestants in Northern Ireland are the descendants of planters sent over from from Scotland during the Ulster plantation in the early 17th century. The British had attempted two similar plantations previously, one in the midlands and another in Ulster, but they tried to send English which resulted in an insufficient number of planters (Ireland seemed a long way from the Home Counties), so all the planters were slaughtered. The plantation of Ulster came shortly after the defeat of the O’Neills and O’Donnells of Ulster at the battle of kinsale (long story) and the fall of Gaelic Ireland’s last stronghold, Ulster, and the flight of the earls. The British had learned from their previous failed plantations so sent Scots this time, and Scotland to Ulster is but a stone throw (they were even one kingdom once upon a time called Dal Riada). So that’s what the real division is about in the north - the Protestants are British/Scottish who were sent to Ireland to make Ireland British, while the Catholics are native. It doesn’t really have anything to do with religion, but because the Irish and Scots have basically been the same people since Dal Riada the only way we can differentiate the nationalities is by religion. That’s why I say there’s no issues between Catholics and Protestants in the south, cos down here it’s just religion so it doesn’t matter. Whereas up north it’s the way to define if someone if British or Irish.

[–] 0 pt

Intersting. Appreciate the clarification. What are your thoughts / hopes for re-unification? Do you want it to happen? Can it happen? What would need to be done to make it successful?

[–] 0 pt

It’s looking increasingly likely at present due to the fallout of Brexit. Personally I don’t want it to happen. The north is just a problem, and as far as I’m concerned it’s a British problem so Britain should solve their problem before we take it up. There’s also economic reasons that make me think it’s a bad idea. However, an unfortunate consequence of the peace process (which was necessary, 30 years was too long) is that SF (political wing of the IRA) got legitimised in the republic. Ten years after the peace agreement was signed we hit the financial crisis and SF managed to emerge as Ireland’s primary left wing party, due largely to the failures of establishment left wing parties. This has resulted in aggressive pushes for reunification along with the propagandisation of our youth regarding IRA behaviour and ideals which concerns me. I don’t think the nordies will vote for reunification though, so hopefully we’re safe for a decade or so. If we do reunify then unionists will kick off and we’ll be back to violence though - nothing is surer despite SF’s bullshit.

[–] 0 pt

If you get tired of my questions, just let me know.

There is a lot packed into that post. So, I guess two things:

1) If you don't want to unify, what do you want to happen and for how long? My opinion only goes as far as the low brow Ireland for the Irish all others must move back to their home lands. You are obviously dealing with reality, what do you want for Ireland and its future with respect to non / unification? How do you want to see Ireland develop?

2) What is your view on economics? Are you more "conservative" as in less regulation, less centralization, more freedom to trade between people or are you more "socialist" as in more regulation, more centralization less freedom to trade between people?

I am curious about the correlation between your vision for your people and your homeland and how that relates to economic governance on a philosophical level.