You know Rogan will only go so far, he's got too much at stake.

Maybe in his case, "half of something is better than all of nothing"?

I dunno. Peterson sucks.

I think you're confused. Peterson and Rogan do a great deal to inch the normalfags closer to a more beneficial frame of reference. Neither of them are perfect. Rogan shit on Don for a while, he's said some sketchy things, like when he virtue signaled to the retarded reddit-like crowd when it came to birth rates, when he didn't grill the shit out of Dorsey and a few more times. Peterson definitely did get addicted to pharmaceuticals. His daughter clearly wasn't raised very well, considering he did some hyperbolic show where she posted her medications on the internet and expected everyone to be nice to her despite doing something so desperate. There's a few more things we could critique, like his inability to see the beneficial tandem between Individualism and Tribalism. With all of that being said, Rogan was one of the first mainstream celebrities to espouse more "schizo"-tier opinions in very public places. He's like if Carlin was a meathead, catered a bit more to normalfags and grew out of his more outlandish ideas, the opposite of Carlin. Rogan is so beneficial because he platforms more curious topics, he actually allows spicy topics to breach the public consciousness, he's leading the reframing of psychedelics, which are far more valuable to our species than anyone will let us know, even if some of the Inslee stuff is sort of sketchy, which I will admit. He's also a frequent megaphone for a more valuable frame of nutrition, "homeopathy", alternative historical perspectives and so much more. I could keep going for a while, but that's empirically far more than the vast majority of armchair faggots that can't accomplish more than complaining about how Halo has changed on Reddit, how they don't like wearing the masks (but then they do it anyway), or even something a little more spicy like manging to dissect surface-level esoteric topics Reddit wouldn't dare allow. I don't see how anyone has the cognizance to find a place like this, not get laughed out of here as a universally-agreed retard and then assert that the faults that he does have undercuts all of the above. Is he perfect? Not at all. But, unfortunately, people aren't permitted to permeate the celebrity world, the intellectual world and the public consciousness all at once like he (or Peterson) can accomplish [edit: "without having faults"]. Peterson is equally significant, in my mind. Joe is going in several generally beneficial directions, but Peterson is more important for reasons that are, in my opinion, a bit more conducive to exceptional emergence of prosperity, especially as it relates to young men. See, Peterson's greatest achievements are his Biblical Allegory series of lectures. Dissecting these is way more important than I'd expect anyone here to grasp, but it goes further than that: he also explains how young men in modernity can escape demoralization; he does this by insisting modern young men have responsibility, responsibility that avoiding means critical and unrecoverable defeat, by helping align once again values that center around individuality and personal growth (see 12 Rules For Life) and also by aggregating the dichotomous opinions in a way that's currently helpful. Hopefully I don't have to explain (I'm assuming I will) why individuality is important in greater detail, but I can assure you that many writers of the past few centuries and even plenty of renown ancient wise men have explained that power is generated out from individuals, to families, to communities and then to the state and this idea has been consistently touched on in various formats for a long time. This isn't to say there aren't benefits of Tribalism and that understanding that won't be important at some time in the future, but this perspective is valuable currently because Divide and Conquer tactics are rampant and without congregating, all parties are being taken advantage of equally and squabbling like ignorant children means this whole clown world shit just lasts even longer. It's like sports teams, right? Everyone likes Football (who's a fan of it), for instance, but most people like their individual team more than other teams, which creates rivalries that fit the scope of Football's influence. It doesn't mean that Jaguars fans can't like Broncos fans, right? But if Football is falling apart, surely all fans would come together and go, "this is bullshit, yadda yadda".

All in all, I could say a great deal more on this. I'm afraid you guys fell for CTR/Shareblue-level astroturf meant to fracture the base of people that help advance public perceptions. Think of what Joe did with Malone, how he challenged CNN, how he promotes pharma-alternatives, how he inspires masculinity (a whole other can of worms) and so much more. Think of how Peterson has challenged the linguistic degradation game, how he's worked to combat demoralization, how he has reinvigorated spiritual analysis/philosophy (the same kind which inspired our ancient ancestors), how he deifies Jesus one again, even as a Secularist and how he nobly challenges Government authoritarianism (the wrong kind). I don't see how that one time Rogan made a joke about white people "being replaced" (which was sort of regrettable, but have some humor, man...) and how Peterson not condemning noses in public (because it would cost him his job and therefore his global reach to inspire young men) means they're both agents meant to deprecate a more ideal advancement.

So, let me ask you, how would you do things like reignite only esoterically extant spiritual philosophies, moralize young men, reintroduce masculinity, promote evasion of the modern ruse we call "Medicine", challenge governments at a federal level as a mere citizen and professor, promote a better conceptualization of nutrition and refocus on meaning, what makes life worth living and how to steel yourself to the extent you can make profound and lasting impacts upon posterity? On top of all of this, what pitfalls would you make sure to avoid, which would prevent you from accomplishing the above? How would you handle obstacles on this journey? How would you balance a family life, a love life and wielding such an audience's attention along with your academic career or entertainment careers?