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Of course, these Republicans "forged documents" and are "fraudulent electors" from the point of view of Globalist-MSNBC, but what is really going one here? We know that Trump won - and bigly. Is it possible that the truthful results and electoral votes WERE certified, or is this an attempt by Dems to falsely frame the Republicans guilty of a crime that they didn't commit?

Full Article:

Republicans in five states created and submitted forged election materials, raising new questions about who organized the scheme.

Originally, the list was limited to one state. In December 2020, Wisconsin electors met for an official ceremony in which the state formally assigned its participants in the electoral college. But as we've discussed, while the actual electors were being assigned inside the state capitol in Madison, a group of Wisconsin Republicans quietly held a separate, fake ceremony — in the same capitol, at the same time — to cast electoral votes for Donald Trump, despite his defeat in the state.

They then proceeded to forge the official paperwork and sent it to, among others, the U.S. Senate and the U.S. Archivist, as if the materials were legitimate. They were not.

That was bizarre, but as it turns out, it was not unique.

This week, the list went from one to three, as Politico reported that the National Archives also received forged certificates of ascertainment from Republicans in Michigan and Arizona — two battleground states where President Joe Biden narrowly prevailed, but where groups of Republicans nevertheless created and submitted fraudulent election materials.

That led to three relatively straightforward questions. The first is whether this was legal. On this point, George Conway wrote this morning, "Anyone who prepared or submitted, or aided, abetted or conspired in the preparation or submission of, false electoral-vote certificates, would presumably be guilty of a host of federal and state criminal offenses."

The second question is whether the Republicans who created and submitted fraudulent election materials had any outside help. Stick a pin in that one and we'll get back to it.

And the third question is whether the list will grow beyond Wisconsin, Michigan, and Arizona. The answer, not surprisingly, is yes: Republicans in Nevada and Georgia did the same thing. As Rachel explained on last night's show:

"It's not like they created these documents to hold close to their chest and fantasize that this had been the real outcome. It's not like they created these documents just to keep themselves as a keepsake. They sent them in to the government as if they were real documents. And it's not like they sent them in saying, 'We know they're not the real electors, because Biden won here, but here's our names for posterity. Here's our names for your records.' No, they actually created these fake documents purporting to be the real certifications of them as electors."

Indeed, in the forged election materials, these Republicans literally described themselves as "the duly elected and qualified electors," despite reality.

Complicating matters is the fact that the fake documents match: They have the same formatting, same spacing, same font, and nearly identical phrasing.

It's worth noting that while Arizona's forged materials originally looked a little different, we learned yesterday that there were actually two different sets of Republicans that created fake documents in the Grand Canyon State — both of which were sent to the National Archives as if they were real — and while one was unique, the other matched the materials in Wisconsin, Michigan, Nevada, and Georgia.

Which brings us back to the aforementioned second question: Did the impostors have outside help? The fact that the five states' materials match certainly suggests there was some kind of coordinated effort.

So, who organized the scheme?

Postscript: In an interesting twist, the Pennsylvania Republican Party previously acknowledged in an official statement that Donald Trump's campaign advised the state GOP to approve an alternate slate of electors — even though Trump lost the Keystone State — but Pennsylvania Republicans did not forge any materials. Rather, they created paperwork that said the pro-Trump electors would become actual electors if some court ever issued an order declaring the GOP ticket the winner in the state. That obviously never happened.

Second Postscript: The Detroit News reported this week that Michigan's attorney general's office said it is scrutinizing the bogus election materials as part of an "ongoing" investigation.

Another report by Globalist-controlled AOL: https://www.aol.com/entertainment/michigan-ag-says-scheme-overthrow-090042901.html

What do you think is going on here, Pats?

Of course, these Republicans "forged documents" and are "fraudulent electors" from the point of view of Globalist-MSNBC, but what is really going one here? We know that Trump won - and bigly. Is it possible that the truthful results and electoral votes WERE certified, or is this an attempt by Dems to falsely frame the Republicans guilty of a crime that they didn't commit? Full Article: >Republicans in five states created and submitted forged election materials, raising new questions about who organized the scheme. >Originally, the list was limited to one state. In December 2020, Wisconsin electors met for an official ceremony in which the state formally assigned its participants in the electoral college. But as we've discussed, while the actual electors were being assigned inside the state capitol in Madison, a group of Wisconsin Republicans quietly held a separate, fake ceremony — in the same capitol, at the same time — to cast electoral votes for Donald Trump, despite his defeat in the state. >They then proceeded to forge the official paperwork and sent it to, among others, the U.S. Senate and the U.S. Archivist, as if the materials were legitimate. They were not. >That was bizarre, but as it turns out, it was not unique. >This week, the list went from one to three, as Politico reported that the National Archives also received forged certificates of ascertainment from Republicans in Michigan and Arizona — two battleground states where President Joe Biden narrowly prevailed, but where groups of Republicans nevertheless created and submitted fraudulent election materials. >That led to three relatively straightforward questions. The first is whether this was legal. On this point, George Conway wrote this morning, "Anyone who prepared or submitted, or aided, abetted or conspired in the preparation or submission of, false electoral-vote certificates, would presumably be guilty of a host of federal and state criminal offenses." >The second question is whether the Republicans who created and submitted fraudulent election materials had any outside help. Stick a pin in that one and we'll get back to it. >And the third question is whether the list will grow beyond Wisconsin, Michigan, and Arizona. The answer, not surprisingly, is yes: Republicans in Nevada and Georgia did the same thing. As Rachel explained on last night's show: >"It's not like they created these documents to hold close to their chest and fantasize that this had been the real outcome. It's not like they created these documents just to keep themselves as a keepsake. They sent them in to the government as if they were real documents. And it's not like they sent them in saying, 'We know they're not the real electors, because Biden won here, but here's our names for posterity. Here's our names for your records.' No, they actually created these fake documents purporting to be the real certifications of them as electors." >Indeed, in the forged election materials, these Republicans literally described themselves as "the duly elected and qualified electors," despite reality. >Complicating matters is the fact that the fake documents match: They have the same formatting, same spacing, same font, and nearly identical phrasing. >It's worth noting that while Arizona's forged materials originally looked a little different, we learned yesterday that there were actually two different sets of Republicans that created fake documents in the Grand Canyon State — both of which were sent to the National Archives as if they were real — and while one was unique, the other matched the materials in Wisconsin, Michigan, Nevada, and Georgia. >Which brings us back to the aforementioned second question: Did the impostors have outside help? The fact that the five states' materials match certainly suggests there was some kind of coordinated effort. >So, who organized the scheme? >Postscript: In an interesting twist, the Pennsylvania Republican Party previously acknowledged in an official statement that Donald Trump's campaign advised the state GOP to approve an alternate slate of electors — even though Trump lost the Keystone State — but Pennsylvania Republicans did not forge any materials. Rather, they created paperwork that said the pro-Trump electors would become actual electors if some court ever issued an order declaring the GOP ticket the winner in the state. That obviously never happened. >Second Postscript: The Detroit News reported this week that Michigan's attorney general's office said it is scrutinizing the bogus election materials as part of an "ongoing" investigation. Another report by Globalist-controlled AOL: https://www.aol.com/entertainment/michigan-ag-says-scheme-overthrow-090042901.html What do you think is going on here, Pats?

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I dont recall past presidents using movie sets for speeches or to answer questions. Idk, confirmation bias maybe, but Q did say you are watching a movie. Interesting coincidence it seems to me. Again I haven't researched if past presidents have, I'm just pretty sure they've always done it from the WH.

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Are you stating that you believe Biden is using movie sets?

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You haven't seen the sets with the TVs for windows?

https://nypost.com/2021/10/07/president-biden-mocked-over-fake-white-house-set/

I'm not saying everything is on a movie set, but he uses this place instead of the wh a lot.

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Thanks for the pic - and, yes, I have seen this.

Believe it or not - I try to be level-headed about the "speculative" stuff and tend to focus on what I know to be objective reality. There's such an info war - have to kind of pick a battle.

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No. Do you have a link or the pic?

I know that idea has been thrown around, and I know that at least one replica of the oval office exists, but I haven't looked into those issues.

Anyway, I may be the only one who thinks so, but, this certification thing is a big deal that could go in either direction.

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I think Trump might have used a fake set when he was supposed to be at Walter Reed hospital. I personally think he was on a ship or sub. The sound quality wasn't right. Background engine noise.

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That was a one time incident and he couldn't because he was "quarantined". Biden does it on the reg.