Also kinda odd timing as they erect walls around the whitehouse...
Of course, these Republicans "forged documents" and are "fraudulent electors" from the point of view of Globalist-MSNBC, but what is really going one here? We know that Trump won - and bigly. Is it possible that the truthful results and electoral votes WERE certified, or is this an attempt by Dems to falsely frame the Republicans guilty of a crime that they didn't commit?
Full Article:
Republicans in five states created and submitted forged election materials, raising new questions about who organized the scheme.
Originally, the list was limited to one state. In December 2020, Wisconsin electors met for an official ceremony in which the state formally assigned its participants in the electoral college. But as we've discussed, while the actual electors were being assigned inside the state capitol in Madison, a group of Wisconsin Republicans quietly held a separate, fake ceremony — in the same capitol, at the same time — to cast electoral votes for Donald Trump, despite his defeat in the state.
They then proceeded to forge the official paperwork and sent it to, among others, the U.S. Senate and the U.S. Archivist, as if the materials were legitimate. They were not.
That was bizarre, but as it turns out, it was not unique.
This week, the list went from one to three, as Politico reported that the National Archives also received forged certificates of ascertainment from Republicans in Michigan and Arizona — two battleground states where President Joe Biden narrowly prevailed, but where groups of Republicans nevertheless created and submitted fraudulent election materials.
That led to three relatively straightforward questions. The first is whether this was legal. On this point, George Conway wrote this morning, "Anyone who prepared or submitted, or aided, abetted or conspired in the preparation or submission of, false electoral-vote certificates, would presumably be guilty of a host of federal and state criminal offenses."
The second question is whether the Republicans who created and submitted fraudulent election materials had any outside help. Stick a pin in that one and we'll get back to it.
And the third question is whether the list will grow beyond Wisconsin, Michigan, and Arizona. The answer, not surprisingly, is yes: Republicans in Nevada and Georgia did the same thing. As Rachel explained on last night's show:
"It's not like they created these documents to hold close to their chest and fantasize that this had been the real outcome. It's not like they created these documents just to keep themselves as a keepsake. They sent them in to the government as if they were real documents. And it's not like they sent them in saying, 'We know they're not the real electors, because Biden won here, but here's our names for posterity. Here's our names for your records.' No, they actually created these fake documents purporting to be the real certifications of them as electors."
Indeed, in the forged election materials, these Republicans literally described themselves as "the duly elected and qualified electors," despite reality.
Complicating matters is the fact that the fake documents match: They have the same formatting, same spacing, same font, and nearly identical phrasing.
It's worth noting that while Arizona's forged materials originally looked a little different, we learned yesterday that there were actually two different sets of Republicans that created fake documents in the Grand Canyon State — both of which were sent to the National Archives as if they were real — and while one was unique, the other matched the materials in Wisconsin, Michigan, Nevada, and Georgia.
Which brings us back to the aforementioned second question: Did the impostors have outside help? The fact that the five states' materials match certainly suggests there was some kind of coordinated effort.
So, who organized the scheme?
Postscript: In an interesting twist, the Pennsylvania Republican Party previously acknowledged in an official statement that Donald Trump's campaign advised the state GOP to approve an alternate slate of electors — even though Trump lost the Keystone State — but Pennsylvania Republicans did not forge any materials. Rather, they created paperwork that said the pro-Trump electors would become actual electors if some court ever issued an order declaring the GOP ticket the winner in the state. That obviously never happened.
Second Postscript: The Detroit News reported this week that Michigan's attorney general's office said it is scrutinizing the bogus election materials as part of an "ongoing" investigation.
Another report by Globalist-controlled AOL: https://www.aol.com/entertainment/michigan-ag-says-scheme-overthrow-090042901.html
What do you think is going on here, Pats?
Of course, these Republicans "forged documents" and are "fraudulent electors" from the point of view of Globalist-MSNBC, but what is really going one here? We know that Trump won - and bigly. Is it possible that the truthful results and electoral votes WERE certified, or is this an attempt by Dems to falsely frame the Republicans guilty of a crime that they didn't commit?
Full Article:
>Republicans in five states created and submitted forged election materials, raising new questions about who organized the scheme.
>Originally, the list was limited to one state. In December 2020, Wisconsin electors met for an official ceremony in which the state formally assigned its participants in the electoral college. But as we've discussed, while the actual electors were being assigned inside the state capitol in Madison, a group of Wisconsin Republicans quietly held a separate, fake ceremony — in the same capitol, at the same time — to cast electoral votes for Donald Trump, despite his defeat in the state.
>They then proceeded to forge the official paperwork and sent it to, among others, the U.S. Senate and the U.S. Archivist, as if the materials were legitimate. They were not.
>That was bizarre, but as it turns out, it was not unique.
>This week, the list went from one to three, as Politico reported that the National Archives also received forged certificates of ascertainment from Republicans in Michigan and Arizona — two battleground states where President Joe Biden narrowly prevailed, but where groups of Republicans nevertheless created and submitted fraudulent election materials.
>That led to three relatively straightforward questions. The first is whether this was legal. On this point, George Conway wrote this morning, "Anyone who prepared or submitted, or aided, abetted or conspired in the preparation or submission of, false electoral-vote certificates, would presumably be guilty of a host of federal and state criminal offenses."
>The second question is whether the Republicans who created and submitted fraudulent election materials had any outside help. Stick a pin in that one and we'll get back to it.
>And the third question is whether the list will grow beyond Wisconsin, Michigan, and Arizona. The answer, not surprisingly, is yes: Republicans in Nevada and Georgia did the same thing. As Rachel explained on last night's show:
>"It's not like they created these documents to hold close to their chest and fantasize that this had been the real outcome. It's not like they created these documents just to keep themselves as a keepsake. They sent them in to the government as if they were real documents. And it's not like they sent them in saying, 'We know they're not the real electors, because Biden won here, but here's our names for posterity. Here's our names for your records.' No, they actually created these fake documents purporting to be the real certifications of them as electors."
>Indeed, in the forged election materials, these Republicans literally described themselves as "the duly elected and qualified electors," despite reality.
>Complicating matters is the fact that the fake documents match: They have the same formatting, same spacing, same font, and nearly identical phrasing.
>It's worth noting that while Arizona's forged materials originally looked a little different, we learned yesterday that there were actually two different sets of Republicans that created fake documents in the Grand Canyon State — both of which were sent to the National Archives as if they were real — and while one was unique, the other matched the materials in Wisconsin, Michigan, Nevada, and Georgia.
>Which brings us back to the aforementioned second question: Did the impostors have outside help? The fact that the five states' materials match certainly suggests there was some kind of coordinated effort.
>So, who organized the scheme?
>Postscript: In an interesting twist, the Pennsylvania Republican Party previously acknowledged in an official statement that Donald Trump's campaign advised the state GOP to approve an alternate slate of electors — even though Trump lost the Keystone State — but Pennsylvania Republicans did not forge any materials. Rather, they created paperwork that said the pro-Trump electors would become actual electors if some court ever issued an order declaring the GOP ticket the winner in the state. That obviously never happened.
>Second Postscript: The Detroit News reported this week that Michigan's attorney general's office said it is scrutinizing the bogus election materials as part of an "ongoing" investigation.
Another report by Globalist-controlled AOL: https://www.aol.com/entertainment/michigan-ag-says-scheme-overthrow-090042901.html
What do you think is going on here, Pats?
Also kinda odd timing as they erect walls around the whitehouse...
Circling the wagons.....
(Or 'squaring' the wagons, like in the movie Wagons East with John Candy).
Circling the wagons.....
(Or 'squaring' the wagons, like in the movie *Wagons East* with John Candy).
This reminds me of how in a divorce each party asks for everything up front, because if they don't ask for it when the papers are filed, then they lose the chance to ever ask for it. Later, everything is negotiated.
Maybe Trump needed to send alternate electors to have his "win" on the books (like in a divorce petition), even though the judge had not ruled on the crime of the stolen election, yet.
This reminds me of how in a divorce each party asks for everything up front, because if they don't ask for it when the papers are filed, then they lose the chance to ever ask for it. Later, everything is negotiated.
Maybe Trump needed to send alternate electors to have his "win" on the books (like in a divorce petition), even though the judge had not ruled on the crime of the stolen election, yet.
Very possible. And that would also suggest that there are legitimate vote counts in these states - not the fake totals that the dems claimed.
Very possible. And that would also suggest that there are legitimate vote counts in these states - not the fake totals that the dems claimed.
Not necessarily, The popular vote count doesn't actually always determine who the legislators cast their vote for in the Presidential ballot.
Not necessarily, The popular vote count doesn't actually always determine who the legislators cast their vote for in the Presidential ballot.
Right.
Right.
Have everyone here forgot the massive amounts of posts everywhere on the net on the subject at the time. A State can submit two Slates of electors and it is meant to go to the VP or congress to decide - but this Electoral procedure was false flagged on the day jan 6th.
Have everyone here forgot the massive amounts of posts everywhere on the net on the subject at the time. A State can submit two Slates of electors and it is meant to go to the VP or congress to decide - but this Electoral procedure was false flagged on the day jan 6th.
Biden does speak from a movie set...
Biden does speak from a movie set...
Hey, this is your team's reporting...just sayin'
Hey, this is your team's reporting...just sayin'
I have no team.
I have no team.
I just looked at your comments, and I was wrong to say you were on the other team. I apologize.
One way or another - there's something up with this certification issue - and it's frustrating to put something out there that is potentially of consequence and immediately get smart-ass responses before anyone has had even had time - or taken the time - to look at the issue.
I just looked at your comments, and I was wrong to say you were on the other team. I apologize.
One way or another - there's something up with this certification issue - and it's frustrating to put something out there that is potentially of consequence and immediately get smart-ass responses before anyone has had even had time - or taken the time - to look at the issue.
Maddow has a lot of coverage in her tweets, this thread in particular: https://twitter.com/maddow/status/1481606616264986628
"American Oversight" which is a dedicated anti-Trump outfit appears to be the tip of the spear on that stuff: https://www.americanoversight.org/american-oversight-obtains-seven-phony-certificates-of-pro-trump-electors Note they published this last year - and they noticed the "renewed scrutiny" from Maddow a couple days ago: https://www.americanoversight.org/fake-electoral-certificates-obtained-by-american-oversight-draw-renewed-scrutiny
Supposedly this ties into a memo, allegedly from John Eastman, outlining a plan to count electoral slates from several states in a way that would ensure Trump's win: https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/21/politics/read-eastman-memo/index.html
All that being said, I have little confidence that this is anything more than a manufactured "slate-gate" - like a new "Steele dossier" intended to take out Trump for 2024. Let's see if any of this stuff makes it to a competent court where the accused are given an opportunity to defend themselves.
Maddow has a lot of coverage in her tweets, this thread in particular: https://twitter.com/maddow/status/1481606616264986628
"American Oversight" which is a dedicated anti-Trump outfit appears to be the tip of the spear on that stuff: https://www.americanoversight.org/american-oversight-obtains-seven-phony-certificates-of-pro-trump-electors
Note they published this last year - and they noticed the "renewed scrutiny" from Maddow a couple days ago: https://www.americanoversight.org/fake-electoral-certificates-obtained-by-american-oversight-draw-renewed-scrutiny
Supposedly this ties into a memo, allegedly from John Eastman, outlining a plan to count electoral slates from several states in a way that would ensure Trump's win: https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/21/politics/read-eastman-memo/index.html
All that being said, I have little confidence that this is anything more than a manufactured "slate-gate" - like a new "Steele dossier" intended to take out Trump for 2024. Let's see if any of this stuff makes it to a competent court where the accused are given an opportunity to defend themselves.
"American Oversight" which is a dedicated anti-Trump outfit appears to be the tip of the spear on that stuff:
Thanks for pointing that out bc it fits with other "hints" I see in these articles.
American Oversight is Omidyar, although TGP says they can't figure out who's funding it. Omidyar is the original and biggest never-Trumper - funds several fake right NGOs, including Republicans for the Rule of Law and Stand up Republic - also Take Back Our Republic which is the hole that Look Ahead America's Matt Braynard emerged from (although he omits that fact.)
ANYWAY - George Conway is also involved with an Omidyar NGO and is quoted in the article. Not an accident.
Thanks for the Eastman memo - had not seen that - interesting as heck.
>"American Oversight" which is a dedicated anti-Trump outfit appears to be the tip of the spear on that stuff:
Thanks for pointing that out bc it fits with other "hints" I see in these articles.
American Oversight is Omidyar, although TGP says they can't figure out who's funding it. Omidyar is the original and biggest never-Trumper - funds several fake right NGOs, including Republicans for the Rule of Law and Stand up Republic - also Take Back Our Republic which is the hole that Look Ahead America's Matt Braynard emerged from (although he omits that fact.)
ANYWAY - George Conway is also involved with an Omidyar NGO and is quoted in the article. Not an accident.
Thanks for the Eastman memo - had not seen that - interesting as heck.
Omidyar is using non-linear warfare, but applying it to the news.
fund all sorts of opposing groups
critically, make it apparent you're funding them
this causes confusion, and paralyzes opposition, as they are left unable to determine whats real or not.
That is 100% what omidyar is doing.
Omidyar is using non-linear warfare, but applying it to the news.
1. fund all sorts of opposing groups
2. critically, make it apparent you're funding them
3. this causes confusion, and paralyzes opposition, as they are left unable to determine whats real or not.
That is 100% what omidyar is doing.
May I add for people new to Omidyar, that his groups only look like they're opposing - In reality they all work together to enable the Globalist agenda.
May I add for people new to Omidyar, that his groups only *look* like they're opposing - In reality they all work together to enable the Globalist agenda.
I'll say it again - I like the way you think, GetCynical - This is exactly what he does. King of disinfo.
I'll say it again - I like the way you think, GetCynical - This is exactly what he does. King of disinfo.
Supposedly this ties into a memo, allegedly from John Eastman, outlining a plan to count electoral slates from several states in a way that would ensure Trump's win: https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/21/politics/read-eastman-memo/index.html
Glad you say "allegedly" bc, reading that memo, I strongly suspect that Eastman did NOT write it.
>Supposedly this ties into a memo, allegedly from John Eastman, outlining a plan to count electoral slates from several states in a way that would ensure Trump's win: https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/21/politics/read-eastman-memo/index.html
Glad you say "allegedly" bc, reading that memo, I strongly suspect that Eastman did NOT write it.
Agreed, if two pages without any kind of signature or letterhead is all they got, it's pretty weak. Any schmuck can throw together a "memo" and upload it to scribd or whatever to try to make it look neutral or authentic.
Agreed, if two pages without any kind of signature or letterhead is all they got, it's pretty weak. Any schmuck can throw together a "memo" and upload it to scribd or whatever to try to make it look neutral or authentic.
Any schmuck can throw together a "memo" and upload it to scribd or whatever to try to make it look neutral or authentic.
And, Heaven knows that the last five years have yielded plenty of examples of that :-o
>Any schmuck can throw together a "memo" and upload it to scribd or whatever to try to make it look neutral or authentic.
And, Heaven knows that the last five years have yielded plenty of examples of that :-o
No but I'm sure it'll come out that's what the democrats did for obiden. Cults always blame those that of which they guilty of.
No but I'm sure it'll come out that's what the democrats did for obiden.
Cults always blame those that of which they guilty of.
Yes - they are masters at projection.
Yes - they are masters at projection.
I realize this is a little off topic, but when the Jan 5-6th thing went down and the politicians put up barbed wire guarded by the National Guard (weeding out the patriots guards), that looked like major overkill for a democrat congress and the most popular president of ALL time with more votes than any other in the history of the USA. On top of that, these imposters institute domestic “terrorism” policies that target the very people they are supposed to represent, plus continue to this day to arrest and torture anyone who even thought of going to D.C. on that fateful day; these actions do not look like a popular government’s actions. Regarding OP’s question, well, that’s going to take some more thoughtful discussion and investigation. I’m listening, because I still haven’t figured out what was exactly done and is at issue here. One more thing I’d like to mention is, the “narrative” being offered is from MSNBC. In my experience, “narrative” is consistent with “lies”, for the most part.
I realize this is a little off topic, but when the Jan 5-6th thing went down and the politicians put up barbed wire guarded by the National Guard (weeding out the patriots guards), that looked like major overkill for a democrat congress and the most popular president of ALL time with more votes than any other in the history of the USA. On top of that, these imposters institute domestic “terrorism” policies that target the very people they are supposed to represent, plus continue to this day to arrest and torture anyone who even thought of going to D.C. on that fateful day; these actions do not look like a popular government’s actions. Regarding OP’s question, well, that’s going to take some more thoughtful discussion and investigation. I’m listening, because I still haven’t figured out what was exactly done and is at issue here. One more thing I’d like to mention is, the “narrative” being offered is from MSNBC. In my experience, “narrative” is consistent with “lies”, for the most part.
It's actually related, and I agree - strange happenings.
One more thing I’d like to mention is, the “narrative” being offered is from MSNBC. In my experience, “narrative” is consistent with “lies”, for the most part.
Yes - that's why I added that caveat to the text portion of my post. That being said, I find it helpful reading what these criminals put out even knowing it's false - who they quote, the groups they cite - all parts of the puzzle.
It's actually related, and I agree - strange happenings.
>One more thing I’d like to mention is, the “narrative” being offered is from MSNBC. In my experience, “narrative” is consistent with “lies”, for the most part.
Yes - that's why I added that caveat to the text portion of my post. That being said, I find it helpful reading what these criminals put out even knowing it's false - who they quote, the groups they cite - all parts of the puzzle.
Yeah, keep your friends close and your enemies closer.
Yeah, keep your friends close and your enemies closer.
How is it forged if they are the state legislators? The constitution says they choose the electors. This article is fake news.
How is it forged if they are the state legislators? The constitution says they choose the electors. This article is fake news.
Yes - the article is the DS trying to control the narrative.
Yes - the article is the DS trying to control the narrative.
Well, maybe it’s because Trump won, these aren’t forgeries but are the correct documents, and when all of this finally shakes out it will have been shown that the correct person was actually certified as the winner, but in secret. And all of this talk of Trump running a shadow government has been true all along. He was certified, he won, and the American public will be the last to know.
Well, maybe it’s because Trump won, these aren’t forgeries but are the correct documents, and when all of this finally shakes out it will have been shown that the correct person was actually certified as the winner, but in secret. And all of this talk of Trump running a shadow government has been true all along. He was certified, he won, and the American public will be the last to know.
I pray you are right.
I pray you are right.
I remember reading articles that some Republicans wanted to send in alternate slate of electors. I can’t remember exactly, but they wanted to send the alternate slates, not fraudulent or forged slates of electors, in addition to, and not instead of, any state’s official slate of electors. They wanted the alternate slates to be available to be read on the floor or counted in the event that a contested state’s slate of electors objection was raised and the objection was allowed to stand.
I remember reading articles that some Republicans wanted to send in alternate slate of electors. I can’t remember exactly, but they wanted to send the alternate slates, not fraudulent or forged slates of electors, in addition to, and not instead of, any state’s official slate of electors. They wanted the alternate slates to be available to be read on the floor or counted in the event that a contested state’s slate of electors objection was raised and the objection was allowed to stand.
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Yes - and that's exactly what they did - perfectly legal and allowed under the Constitution - But TAX-EXEMPT American Oversight is pushing the narrative that the certs are forgeries and illegal.
Hey, from :-)
Yes - and that's exactly what they did - perfectly legal and allowed under the Constitution - But TAX-EXEMPT American Oversight is pushing
the narrative that the certs are forgeries and illegal.
Has everyone forgotten that its possible for two slates of legislators from the same State to declare for opposing candidates in a Presidential election ?/. IIRC it's supposed to go to the vice president or congress or something to adjourn on the matter but this never happened on jan 6th, bc it was false flagged and any legitimate constitutional procedure/ discussion on the split electoral vote was purposely 'erroneously' superseded by bs 'Do what thy shall ... at this point what does it matter'. It's a nothing burger, that they are literally attempting to outlaw/ punish lawful and legal constitutionally enshrined Presidential election procedure. The fcking gall of these cunts ....
Has everyone forgotten that its possible for two slates of legislators from the same State to declare for opposing candidates in a Presidential election ?/. IIRC it's supposed to go to the vice president or congress or something to adjourn on the matter but this never happened on jan 6th, bc it was false flagged and any legitimate constitutional procedure/ discussion on the split electoral vote was purposely 'erroneously' superseded by bs 'Do what thy shall ... at this point what does it matter'.
It's a nothing burger, that they are literally attempting to outlaw/ punish lawful and legal constitutionally enshrined Presidential election procedure.
The fcking gall of these cunts ....
Has everyone forgotten that its possible for two slates of legislators from the same State to declare for opposing candidates in a Presidential election?
This is true.
Here are the electoral documents obtained by American Oversight (AO): https://www.americanoversight.org/document/nara-records-regarding-invalid-elector-slates
They are not forged, as AO claims, and, as you point out, submitting these us perfectly legal.
they are literally attempting to outlaw/ punish lawful and legal constitutionally enshrined Presidential election procedure.
Yes - AO is exhibiting clear political bias and is lying to the public. Not only that, in doing so, they are illegally operating under 501c tax-exempt status.
>Has everyone forgotten that its possible for two slates of legislators from the same State to declare for opposing candidates in a Presidential election?
This is true.
Here are the electoral documents obtained by American Oversight (AO): https://www.americanoversight.org/document/nara-records-regarding-invalid-elector-slates
They are not forged, as AO claims, and, as you point out, submitting these us perfectly legal.
>they are literally attempting to outlaw/ punish lawful and legal constitutionally enshrined Presidential election procedure.
Yes - AO is exhibiting clear political bias and is lying to the public. Not only that, in doing so, they are illegally operating under 501c tax-exempt status.
If anything, i hope it back fires in their fat globo-homo faces and everyone be like 'Did the Congressional Elector discussion on the spilt electors follow Constitutionally enshrined electoral procedure and did it reach a legitimate decision based on the long standing procedural legislation - or was the entirety of the lawful/legal Election procedure simply deemed (illegitimately) moot by manufactured circumstance of interruption. '
Ergo - 'Welcome everyone, Lets hear the reasons why Billy bob or John boy should win in this split vote' 'Whoot whoot' - 'Oh fire alarm - lets reconvene later tonight after it has all settled down and declared safe to return' 'Ok welcome back, lets not bother with the rest of it, lets just declare billy bob the winner' and if you don't agree it was probably you that started the fire' .....
If anything, i hope it back fires in their fat globo-homo faces and everyone be like 'Did the Congressional Elector discussion on the spilt electors follow Constitutionally enshrined electoral procedure and did it reach a legitimate decision based on the long standing procedural legislation - or was the entirety of the lawful/legal Election procedure simply deemed (illegitimately) moot by manufactured circumstance of interruption. '
Ergo -
'Welcome everyone, Lets hear the reasons why Billy bob or John boy should win in this split vote'
'Whoot whoot' - 'Oh fire alarm - lets reconvene later tonight after it has all settled down and declared safe to return'
'Ok welcome back, lets not bother with the rest of it, lets just declare billy bob the winner' and if you don't agree it was probably you that started the fire' .....
Exactly - I hate what's going on, but it sure is shining a light on how far we've come from our Constitutional roots and the lengths that many will go to to keep us from returning to those roots.
Sometimes I think we need to get rid of everything except the Bill of Rights and start from scratch.
Exactly - I hate what's going on, but it sure is shining a light on how far we've come from our Constitutional roots and the lengths that many will go to to keep us from returning to those roots.
Sometimes I think we need to get rid of everything except the Bill of Rights and start from scratch.
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