Scientific data shows fully Jabbed have become COVID "Super Spreaders"

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The claim that the jab prevents hospitalization is true?

It does. It prevents sever COVID-19 and deaths quite significantly. But efficacy wanes after 6 months requiring boosters. And those boosters are less effective than when we first started using the vaccines for Alpha. It's obvious why: it has significantly mutated so the spike protein targets are different enough to make the vaccines less effective.

So, I can get the jab, get really sick, in a car crash or suffer an adverse event and I'd show up in the unvaccinated column.

Yup. Based on how vaccines work, (not just the COVID-19 ones), it takes a while for the antibodies to start getting produced and for your body to "learn" the antigens to produce the antibodies for. The 14 day thing is not a new thing in the immunology world. However, it is quite dishonest to think it is 0 or 1 as some pro-vaxxers would have you believe. The real data showed 10 days was enough for most people. They extend it to 14 days to catch he outliers (I don't have the justification for this but it is usually something like ("3 sigma at 10 days but we go for 4 sigma by day 14).

I know the arguments for this (The shot's not effective until 14 days so we can't count them as vaccinated yet), but considering Fauci and the gang say that most adverse events happen in the first few days of the jab, its misleading to just say vaccinated vs unvaccinated.

Yes, first 2 weeks, most adverse events happen. We have data on vaccines that show adverse events happening as long as 6 weeks later (I forget that vaccine, it was in the 1970s, I believe).

Is there any way to see how many of those in the ICU and Hospital labeled unvaccinated had a shot less then 14 days before admission?

I think the UK was tracking that data in their weekly tracking report. A "less than 14 days" data set. I think. Don't quote me on that. But it is a very small group and the numbers were not significant compared to the fully or unvaxxed.

This would give us a clearer picture, and the absence of it can give ammo to those already skeptical of the whole narrative.

I agree. We should have setup data collection, AFTER the Phase III trials passed, for the broader public. And been tracking all this data every step of the way. A lot of the antivax arguments could have been resolved had they done this. A lot of the pro-vax arguments for the vax could have been debunked, too. The pro-vaxxers pretend this is the end all be all for fighting COVID-19 when it is only 1 of 6 major tools. The most important tool is diet and exercise. In fact, obesity is so strongly linked that the higher your BMI, the risk of death increases exponentially. Don't quote me on this one, either, but I believe, when I was looking at the dat, if your BMI is 40 and you get COVID-19, your risk of death is over 25%. Not quite a coin flip but approaching a coin flip. To me, that's crazy as hell and scary as hell.

Great comments and intelligent questions. I appreciate them.

If you find some good data, please make a post and/or tag me. I'm following this closely. I like debunking the pro and anti-vaxxers on this.

> The claim that the jab prevents hospitalization is true? It does. It prevents sever COVID-19 and deaths quite significantly. **But efficacy wanes after 6 months requiring boosters.** And those boosters are less effective than when we first started using the vaccines for Alpha. It's obvious why: it has significantly mutated so the spike protein targets are different enough to make the vaccines less effective. >So, I can get the jab, get really sick, in a car crash or suffer an adverse event and I'd show up in the unvaccinated column. Yup. Based on how vaccines work, (not just the COVID-19 ones), it takes a while for the antibodies to start getting produced and for your body to "learn" the antigens to produce the antibodies for. The 14 day thing is not a new thing in the immunology world. However, it is quite dishonest to think it is 0 or 1 as some pro-vaxxers would have you believe. The real data showed 10 days was enough for most people. They extend it to 14 days to catch he outliers (I don't have the justification for this but it is usually something like ("3 sigma at 10 days but we go for 4 sigma by day 14). >I know the arguments for this (The shot's not effective until 14 days so we can't count them as vaccinated yet), but considering Fauci and the gang say that most adverse events happen in the first few days of the jab, its misleading to just say vaccinated vs unvaccinated. Yes, first 2 weeks, most adverse events happen. We have data on vaccines that show adverse events happening as long as 6 weeks later (I forget that vaccine, it was in the 1970s, I believe). >Is there any way to see how many of those in the ICU and Hospital labeled unvaccinated had a shot less then 14 days before admission? I think the UK was tracking that data in their weekly tracking report. A "less than 14 days" data set. I think. Don't quote me on that. But it is a very small group and the numbers were not significant compared to the fully or unvaxxed. >This would give us a clearer picture, and the absence of it can give ammo to those already skeptical of the whole narrative. I agree. We should have setup data collection, AFTER the Phase III trials passed, for the broader public. And been tracking all this data every step of the way. A lot of the antivax arguments could have been resolved had they done this. A lot of the pro-vax arguments for the vax could have been debunked, too. The pro-vaxxers pretend this is the end all be all for fighting COVID-19 when it is only 1 of 6 major tools. The most important tool is diet and exercise. In fact, obesity is so strongly linked that the higher your BMI, the risk of death increases exponentially. Don't quote me on this one, either, but I believe, when I was looking at the dat, if your BMI is 40 and you get COVID-19, your risk of death is over 25%. Not quite a coin flip but approaching a coin flip. To me, that's crazy as hell and scary as hell. Great comments and intelligent questions. I appreciate them. If you find some good data, please make a post and/or tag me. I'm following this closely. I like debunking the pro and anti-vaxxers on this.

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